Is Zenless Zone Zero FLOP or NOT?

it felt it's great so like this is the best part of the game but as I said I'm having the least share of time with it like I don't I don't understand why like how that again we're talking again we're doing this and back to the TV screen again like how is the combat grade if you don't focus on the combat and you just press button like a monkey and you still win like how because it was an easy level it was an easy level man [Music] this is a no [ __ ] gaming show where we talk about games and their revenue in great detail powered by our ad monetization game design and user acquisition Triple Threat expertise welcome to the two and a half Gamers the unfiltered truth served with a side of giggles

let's not forget this is a 400 a.m. conference discussion Vibe so let's not take it too seriously tune in now and stay two and a half steps ahead of the gaming industry St the horse yes hello everyone when near her us we're in China yeah thank you much for listening and bye so much energy no exactly because you were looking forward to this game and I'm a bit Glee cuz you were talking this game up so much and now even you said it's and now we're going to find out why yeah and if I need to force myself to play an anime game something's wrong with it I'm sorry ooh what an intro hey no yeah let's just start the intro yeah yeah you're welcome welcome guys yeah let's start the intro my name is mat I'm Felix Brer and we are your hosts and that's right we are yes that's

yeah we need to you know we need to pump up the energy because the game we are talking about that is only is zero and zero people cares that's that's that's exactly what it is because we already talked about this game in when it was in like the beta uh some time ago and not even we were making fun of it already we were making fun of it already yeah we already knew you just you just you just have to ask two of us and like you you know we'll let you know immediately not even like our listeners care that much to be honest so nobody cares about these anime games that makes millions and billions on IND wons just you know what it's not billions I mean this this game is making hardly like hoo [ __ ] I can't even spell that yeah fine

but this game not really I mean started 4.5 m a day now it's 1.1 I guess keep that yeah just mobile 50% going from China yes thank you very much okay you want to introduce this or yeah like why I mean yes it's important to talk about this uh and we're going to I guess if it's a flop or not is it a flop or not even if I don't like it or not doesn't matter we need to talk about so let's let's well of course we're eager to listen eager to like to you know if you can persuade me to play uh you didn't go okay thank you very much for listening now this now we're done the fastest podcast episode in the the game because it just like need it's full screen okay anyway so the the other problem is that unfortunately it's not even the whole month from the game launch that we can compare the metrics and everything but it seems that we don't need to yeah we don't really need to the trends are pretty pretty much there um yeah so this is the third

biggest game or let's say third most anticipated game because these guys have many games not just uh sorry not just the ones that you see here because there's of so honai the third the original before uh GHIN impact then of course uh Miho is known mainly for GHIN impact H which are the two juggernauts which did like but they're not ad Juggernaut they're not but just for comparison oer that word huh we should really ban that word for like a good six months huh October 2020 he like the first big month of genin was 160 million on mobile and regarding uh honai styl again like not the launch month but the next month it was 210 million so yeah not bad pretty Giant and uh yeah this now they're [ __ ] pretty much zero seems like

something like uh yeah it doesn't really seem so it seems something like 50 million and I think they already said that they they break brought 50 million already because we see only mobile Revenue but uh yeah it seems if the PC revenue is only 99 million then it's also something is wrong uh and also conso Revenue I think so okay but this was soon this is sooner this was on sooner so it's like it's probably much more now okay let's see but anyway uh we'll see what like what the full thing will be on August the 4th then we can see at least the mobile numbers but it do on Fourth of July this game made 4.1 million on mobile yes 4.2 yes 4.2 50% China yeah I can take country filter yeah I already checked it it's 50% China like they it

overall Revenue overall 10% is US yeah so if we compare to something like genin uh us is 14% China is 40 but that's all all of like four years gions Revenue yeah yeah so yeah it's still very very very much like catered towards Asia think that's undisputable but the thing is that U Felix do you hear the sadness in his voice yeah AB Absol disappointed yeah like absolutely disappointed I was really excited for this game sorry because I even saw it at Gamescom last year like there were like giant boots of it and everything and I was still playing hongkai stel very hard by the time so if you have a giant booth that means like your game is going to be solid what is this fr the podcast or what oh like like let's be constructive let's be constructive yob why does this game suck yeah it doesn't suck it's just

that I still have a problem with this kind of diminishing returns thing where there's few factors let's talk about a few factors why I don't think so this work out like everybody hoped ho so Factor number one um this thing just has the same exact progression same exact meta it's the Hoovers machine we've seen in genin we've seen Hast it's pretty much the same even for me it's kind of a okay this is this thing this is that thing just like different visual I'm just looking or like which same thing all over again yeah same thing all over again uh just different core as the previous setup like the setup is exactly the same like their money making machine the problem with money making machines is that once you start putting them into uh you know serialized manufacturing uh stuff usually kick a lot of diminishing returns which is what happened exactly here the game is exactly the same but reskinned is exactly the same it has a lot of which I think don't even help it

but still like the core and like not core gameplay but like the most of it is you can clearly see mihoyo's hand writing all over it the other big problem what one is this diminishing returns that that's like I think very big problem the other big problem is that during this period and during this summer we have a lot of anime RPG gacha games releases and a lot I mean a lot in Revenue me free so there's solo leveling it's already did uh which we covered on the podcast already with John yeah that was the best episode ever very nice it was fun by the way I'm still playing this game and this game has the exact same core game playay as Zen leson Zero exact same making making 40% less money on a daily basis if if I'm looking at it correctly yes if you make but if you check how much marketing and production values and everything was invested into this game my guess is that these guys are pretty profitable this is not marble

and doing like half a million a day still and by the way you see it's stabilized if you go to active users it's it's actually growing a little bit what do you mean by how much money they put into marketing and they're profitable like what does that even mean like is this like terrible quality I'm not sure no no I'm not saying terrible quality I'm saying for that much of production cost and values and everything that Miho throw into it comparing it that like they're making little bit more than these guys yeah like these guys are definitely much better off regarding their investment and like price to Performance ratio because they didn't put a lot of marketing Behind still go up because the anime is really killing it there's going to be second season like around the corner and my guess is this will bump up again of course it's killing it yeah so uh next one is even bigger which is wering waste from Kuro and this one is again more spiky because it's uh like much more gacha based but it's already 61 million again so out of those three

uh this is actually doing half what like Soul leveling is doing but been there a little bit sooner before but this is not even close to what what the Z this is actually more close to genin this is open world so this is more close to genshin and it's literally kind of going after GHIN setup like revenue is not even close it's long longer on the market I'm not saying it's not even close of course is like but uh yeah I don't think so there's a G by here yeah this is basically how it looks like it's basically but again it's a giant anime gacha based RPG can release during the same one to two months that's that's there which could add to diminishing returns of Zen Z keep in mind Zen Z was pushed away it was supposed to release sooner it didn't release the time we expected it to release um yeah that's it and then [Music]

what's the last thing that I I'm waiting for one more one more game that was released which is game you said two you said two more U so I I want one more I think because this is not a very good argument for them not making that much money yeah I still I still I still feel like this is not not not solid argument because those those two games are making together less than uh Zone Z and Zone zero yeah yeah yeah daily basis now even even after their their decline so yeah yeah sorry sorry forgot the last anime game that released during the same period you know it dungeon and fighter Jesus Christ but seriously come on come on yeah but it's it's make 500 million during the first mon man yes but it was already out on on PC yeah so again okay okay you said free fine

fine okay fine there we go there we go um yeah so let's let's go actually to the game I me got blurred after your your not solid not so solid arguments like I'm waai let's go to the game play and we can we see why it's like more like about what what's solid or what's not solid okay so so what's different from last time we went through it have they changed anything to the game play or is it still the same by the way that's that's important like I don't think so they didn't change much that's like one of I don't know to one of the things that they changed is this where is it the video he still lives in a video video uh store yeah he still lives in video store there's like nothing change about that like you still there and by the way this is their Idol mechanic that you need to go here every day and even like set up the tapes and [ __ ] like okay you select the promoter and then you s actually like movies for the day because you have these like three whatever

documentary Don't touch don't touch then fantasy and then what was romantic I don't even have that card so I can even use the bonus or whatever let's put in urban whatever that's it this is your i' rather play heord than play this game yeah I know that's because it has ads even in you rather play he would you rather play hexas sword than or this no ex absolutely exur is too much sorry um yeah but the thing is that that the main problem for me like tldr is that this game has amazing combat that's what we were all looking for last time we were looking it has amazing we'll get to it right in a second it has amazing combat it has amazing visuals it has amazing production quality everything's [ __ ] amazing that's why I was like hoping but the problem is that once you get to the like Daily Grind the usual tempo of these games you know daily quests these achievements the RO gu progression gotcha blah blah blah blah blah blah blah there's so kind of a oh let's say

the time you spend in that amazing combat is very low compared to the other share of time that you do these videos there whatever random shits you go around the street you go and need to kind of pick a lotto ticket every day I'm sorry can you just can you just automate [ __ ] no no you can't you you L need to walk to this guy and pick a loto ticket a scch ticket or maybe you just you know you you don't you just you do because it's part of the you know daily economic budget that you need to go you need to go and get the noodles you need to drink cafee you need to whatever go to the arcade if you don't do it then you just in your daily quests and if you don't do daily Quest you don't get the hard currency if you don't get the heart Curr you don't G RS if you don't get G RS you f yes that's what I wanted to hear yeah that's very very simple so the main thing and I think These Guys these guys still think even themselves they have a problem is that if we go to the story

commission and like let's just play some kind of a random Mission uh and use use our characters here the TV screen the TV screens mini game or let's say like they pretty much cut the thing that you are going through the environments into this TV screen mini game whatever [ __ ] and it's full of puzzles and and whatever stuff that's kind of annoying once you have it pretty much in before any other combat encounter and if I go into the mission or level I pretty much spend like 70% time here and then 20% time in that amazing combat and that's it and one thing that could hint that there are also concerned about this which was not in the beta is this speed up button but the speed up button what it does is just you see what happens like it just increase the frame rate on this thing so I can just move faster wow that's it because before you would go even slower

see and that looks quite annoying yeah it looks quite annoying I was literally I I really wanted to kind of digest these things and just said like okay it's baby just like I'm not used to it I'm just like you know too much because I was playing honkai for a year like very very fanatically and like didn't play genin but I play all the anime games usually and everything I was like maybe it's me maybe I just don't see this Brilliance somewhere that like didn't shine on me but I'm literally looking a few of my daily YouTubers that I get like builds and strategies and everything and like all are bitching about this all of them are bitching about this it's not that like this is some Remos random feedback everybody's think about this wait wait I think I think I have a good analogy for what you're saying so for like a western audience it's like playing Red Dead Redemption 2 for the first time you realize you need to ride literally like 40% of the time is just riding and then you eat cigarettes to gain heal yeah yeah maybe something like that but but

the problem is still like I I like I don't know I want to play I don't I don't want to do these stupid puzzles I'm sorry like it it gets really annoying once you have like I don't know how many of these and they are again doubling down on the story so there's so much story dialogue and like all these other things that are great but they're in such giant quantity that it's completely annoying and even though you can skip that some of those you can't even skip that like you just can't I think get see how much time we didn't even get to the game play and how much time we were just spending in this thing but it's cuz you're not moving you're not focusing on it cuz you're bitching I'm focusing pretty much on it now okay focus focus on it Focus I don't think they get they they get the memo about like people know the reading [ __ ] yeah it's like guys like it's all how it works so you you L you focus on it you did it in like 3 seconds man no I skipped all the content that was beside

the thing I just like skipped it literally so we can get to the actual combat like you see like all the moves and like I left like half of the level I'm finished just just to get here wow such a great combat you just don't know because you don't play these games that's the other thing but yeah the combat is very smooth yeah it's and and like this whole kind of switching mechanic and everything the only only thing I heard about the combat like like the critique to it was that stuff feels too much like like sponges that you just takes too much hits to kill and you don't really have this feeling of like killing tons of monsters swiftly because there's always just three which means that or or three or four or whatever and it means like if we can just have like three then like you know we need to constantly increase them their health like in giant numbers so we can at least like throw some punches in them and [ __ ] so okay and you never die right you die of course you die you die it's it's you know the HP damage game always that like some levels require

more HP more damage also depends heavily this this game also heavily depends on skill like which button you press which combination which element even you see like this is an electric guy then I have this ice guy then I have this uh fire girl and so on so forth so y it takes a lot of skilled gaml like the combat has a lot of depth don't get me wrong that's like pretty good about it but yeah it feels a little bit like sponge but the smoothness the fluency and everything like like this B just check it out like it's look literally looks like from a console game not really like a mobile game so that's great this is the like this is where I was so kind of hyped for the game that or you see like this like oh my God amazing like the finisher moves ultimates and like all these other things it's super smooth like it's like playing Tekken with Eddie you know like doesn't matter which button we match looks cool yeah that's a great allogy yeah like see like like I wasn't like paying attention at all like remember every time we play games here and I try

to play and comment on it it looks like [ __ ] see how amazing it it felt it's great so like this is the best part of the game but as I said I'm having the least share of time with it like I don't I don't understand why like how how that again we're talking again we're doing this and back to the TV screen again like how is the combat grade if you don't focus on the combat and you just press button like a monkey and you still win like because it was an easy level it was an easy level man like it was I'm I'm over the level cap or whatever okay what what do you mean no because like if if you play something and it's great then you actually you mean like the difficulty like yeah yeah yeah like it'll come later like it's just that I I'm kind of overleveled because of it that's like I I had all the daily quests yeah because I just did the daily Quest I wanted to see like the grind and like everything but again see I can't even skip this I just can't skip this it just like again and and the story Red Dead you can skip it yeah I'm

sorry like some of these stories are unsk skippable like I'm sorry the story is [ __ ] to me I'm just like that's isn't this like an anime little bit it's not even anime to be honest like a lot of people are saying that actually this is the most western game they have and I think so it is because it has this urban fantasy of you know all these hipster shits and whatever and you need to drink cafe latte whatever like that's f is yeah okay so now I know why you're pissed because and like yeah you don't do any of this used to easn people you know yeah you don't drink coffee all these movies and videotapes and like everything's pretty much like these videotapes whatever I don't know like levels are literally just documentaries on VHS tyes or I don't know so yeah maybe I think they were trying a little bit too hard with this but I I don't want to like tell anything about artstar artstar gorgeous and everything not not really for me but just the pacing like the basing for me is just annoying in

the end that I would just want to have more action if I just you know launch here Soul leveling like there's this thing I need to do fight fight fight fight fight then the other thing I need to do fight fight fight then like few strategy set up change the element Hero whatever fight fight fight again and like there we go and I don't need to like read if there's a story okay there's a skip button there's this or that or whatever like you and best thing is like you can skip the whole thing and you can like hear even the skipping takes to too much I think this is the episode where yaku [ __ ] the most yeah I've never heard him like this yeah it's like I'm trying to figure out why let's go to the actual like Heroes and [ __ ] um so yeah this is your daily Quest as I told you like you seey one coffee check in with the scratch card at the new stand open the video store for business spend battery charge whatever the energy they maybe you should just try the one coffee in real life as well the life will change Dr coffee exactly

yeah in life you change maybe you'll just immediately like the game let's go to the standard thing like this is basically copy pasta from ganshin and honai not really different to it like you have your daily Quest you have your like early challenges that you need to to build you have your training which is like spending your energy which actually gives you XP you have your other challenges you have your Ro glide mode which is excellent like I think it's like one of the most sophisticated one that ever built with like prequisites and [ __ ] you know like choose of the tree and then then like it's like Hades basically build into it then you have um like you see how many events they around basically they just give you like 30 heart currency just to watch the trailer that's great it's the usual Hoover like will flood you with content like these guys are just excellent and making like so much content I don't think so like all the other competitors that I've shown you they have like so many events running and all these other things that like they're just great because they know how to dish out [ __ ] ton of content

uh where we are yeah there's the battle pass thing as usual really I don't think so there's much kind of big differences between those like exactly same setup like you can take a hero token after end of it if you buy it and so on so forth exactly the same as honkai has if you go to gacha gacha is actually a little bit okay M sleeps if we go to to gacha gacha is actually a little bit more complex than I thought because you have the like the main Banner character which is this one where we have Ellen now then we have her weapon which is the weapon gacha again same as gin same as hon for for now is the same there there there you have like the the default gacha again everything seems until this and then they have this bang bua which is these other characters that are just some kind of like additional power layer that they like funny layer that they added in where you have these characters they even have their own kind of um stories basically like the fourth character in the team that that you can take in and

like does silly stuff and actually has like Elemental damage and you can level it them like here here they are yeah so that's nice I I don't really get the fantasy but okay so so basically cute they're cute they're there comic right something like that uh then you have this kind of giant UI where there's like all these other things that you can kind of look through there's of course like the usual achievement stuff and I don't know like a lot of by the way I even have uh we Sorry WhatsApp chat with the game where the game literally prompts you to talk with it in WhatsApp and in WhatsApp you literally send one of these Bank Boos on a journey and then the game replied to me 4 days later that hello here's the code go redeem it into the game and it was on WhatsApp so they have like hoyo ver or Mi always they have very nice external

Integrations with web events browser events WhatsApp events whatever like everything outside of game like their own Wikipedia everything's linked between genin honai and I think even the the content releases between these games don't uh coincide within each kind of a each other so you can play if you're like a big Hoovers fan all of those if you want if you're like literally playing these all games together um there's the usual kind of energy mechanic same as the other games like not really that much difference with it hard currency soft currency yeah and that's pretty much it like maybe the other big difference like let me show you they have this kind of a training setup when you actually decide how to spend your energy yourself oh where we are yeah here training let check so there's this training facility where you actually set up the

level itself here where like I want to like farm for this or that whatever let's say this and then I can change the challenge level and I can literally change the mops in the level like how much of the mobs I want to actually have and therefore like I will have more rewards it will be a little bit harder so if we save this and then go and deploy we actually spend that much energy and like Focus Farm whatever we want from the game I don't think so I've seen this feature you can you can fight more yeah you can fight more but like you spend your energy in like what like 15 minutes basically this whole 300 that I have there and it takes one day to regenerate literally like one whole day and that's it and goodbye and and you just fight oh you can pay of course uh but you just fight in these like X-Men sphere like simulations I don't know even how to call this thing it's just but it's literally like that like you know you remember what they had in the movie they could just go and simulate stuff

because there's nothing it like they're just like seems like empty Unity scene or whatever and then you just fight monsters that they that's it this is a scene from Supermarket manager Super Market simulator would you rather play Supermarket simulator or this yeah it's it's not that bad it's just that I think because of all the expectations that we already got uh by by GHIN and honkai stel I was probably just expecting like best thing since Brett which I didn't get so maybe that's a problem I don't know but for me it's just you know this is not only my feedback this is also like feedback that I see within the players we were just talking about it this week that PC Gamer gave this 55 out of 100 yeah which is still a lot for free toplay game from PC Gamer but like I would expect it they would give it higher score I think they give higher score there because they just literally said that it's it's just

like the same of more of the same with more like marketing polished machine because that's what they basically did so yeah now you're finally playing and then you can't even talk properly so it's fine it it gets hard don't get me finally something more challenging and the problem is that the buttons are different than the buttons that I use in Solo leveling so I just can't play two of the same games with my motor skills which is like my memory you know uh use a different keyword the good thing about Sol leveling do they have auto combat these guys don't have auto combat by the way o like solo leveling I can just use all my keys or energies or whatever they is I can leave it playing auto combat because I know I would win those battles anyway here I need to manually grind through those which I hate to be honest like in this day and era I just love games that I can leave playing themselves on the second monitor yeah that's that's all you cheating the your way through all the gam it's not cheating like you would just leave your pH playing itself it doesn't matter man

exactly yeah it's a safe time it's just convenience convenience nothing else you know the game is supposed to be played that's not free to play against well to you so what do you want to say last things about this game I think we talked enough about yeah um what's interesting is that Let Me Maybe return a little bit to the charts at least I yeah I would like to hear like which game uh would you rather play from all of these three genin I'm still playing Soul leveling I'm playing it still honai or honai honai I I stopped playing honai like around Christmas I think but until Christmas I play honai from April when it when basically from it from launch until Christmas and it was really good and at some point I got a little bit uh I've seen it all moment I've seen it all moment basically I hit it and the content threadmill was just too much for me literally good thing is

that you can replay old events in honai you don't need to kind of you know stress about it so they can leave them somewhere in the shelf and like you can return yourself them later which is great but it still took so much time I just didn't have the time but honai was great and I if if I would have more time I would be still playing it it's like just amazing but uh this one didn't really click with me and it seems didn't really click with the data also but very interesting one very interesting fact that I wanted to show you if I can just get running yeah pleas if you see if you see first month daily revenue for both honai and genin so downloads yeah sorry yeah this is very important so let's just take like first year and let's go like

this so if we see the numbers here you see that if it was led something like end of September GHIN spiked to something like 7 million and because of their very specific Revenue shape profile it's it always looks like a shark fin like this is very important to say like everybody just looking at the Z Zone zero chance like oh it's a shark the [ __ ] it's it's it's not a shark fin is it not unfortunate shark fin because they have that three weeks gacha cycles and they make money mainly on that gacha it always will look like this like it's going you know patient pulls or whatever and the important thing is that if these spikes go higher or lower that's the very important because if you see for instance how genin did it grow something like 7 million whatever but then these spikes they go all the way to some something like 10 or like even

whatever 10 10 even or 10 no no no like let's get the let's get the full timeline there oh how big are some of these spikes see what this [ __ ] 13 13 in a day yeah yeah yeah like you see the revenue here like from 2020 over 4 billion just in Mobile yeah and if we go to honai I think the same pattern will emerge there that uh [Music] there we go lach yeah so a little bit different they started I guess with a little bit more of a bank with like 16 million Spike but you still see here like I think this is Kafka this big spike or something March or or or later yeah good old Kafka good about but that's the that's the power of these Wu games like you them even though you don't need them because they're vus

that's how this whole Machine Works sure but then if you start on 7 million or 16 and now you start on four yeah the issue but as I said GHIN GHIN you know went over its L Spike so I think the most important thing to assess how Zen Zone zero is is kind of going around regarding Revenue will be this next GAA Spike so the moment another character goes into Banner which is when the spike happens and by the height of that Spike you can then predict how good either either the really a [ __ ] character which I think they will I think there's actually already announced who's the character but I don't know hopefully it's a Wu and by that Spike and by the height of the spike you can then assume how how the thing will go because active user wise uh you know feelings in me obviously the biggest anime experts expert don't worry next time we're going to cover a game that has IPS ads cool

hooks interesting about these make so much imps than like 10 of your hexos sworts true PR true pretty much I will give you that I will give you that much yeah I mean you I mean don't don't poke too too much feel like you don't have the arguments uh against the the IPS the only argument is like this is making less money than the previous two games which I mean could be for whatever reasons still a lot of money still a lot money giant amount of money I'm just like I'm just I just don't think it fulfilled that expectation as mihoyo that's that's one thing and the other thing I think it's very very hard once you get this like Golden Goose machine running you trying to Pivot from it because it already worked for them with honai and you know why third time wouldn't be the charm which seems it isn't at least because if you look at

let's look at whole whole mihoyo basically Revenue wise so if we look here those two games are kind of the same together because if you if ially for your listeners uh all mioo has made 6.2 billion basically and four yeah on mobile only four of that comes from is that which one is top one genin bottom one is um yeah honai yeah yeah yeah but it pretty much kind of a average out itself so they're kind of a on the same Revenue they were with genin so these two games definitely like genin is in decline if we just take up honai from the portfolio but together because they run those games together like they're kind of they're at the same Revenue yeah still don't see any PC and console Revenue yeah we don't m like you mentioned uh I can I can share some of

the some of the by the way I'm getting I'm getting ads all time all I was I was even getting so many so many videos on for like the pre-registration campaigns by the way yeah like any good hooks man just like CGI uh stuff I mean no you can't you can't even think about any any hooks in in kind of in this it's it's really great it's amazing she's wait production value yeah production value but I just need to spare your ears uh so you don't don't really I mean die now you don't I mean that's the hairs basically their their first three characters which they're promoting from yeah yeah from the start there were there were literally people walking in these

costumes in games to of course of course uh 10 1003 pools okay good now like look uh we have they have like all all the all the networks basically everywhere so with um regards what you said they're spending all the money absolutely not making that much money though uh so you think they're profitable probably right well sorry I just I'm just listen trying to listen to this AI voice ah like there's a Vu YouTuber commenting on it V YouTubers yeah this is a new trend on Twitch twitch by the wayers for people on Twitch they don't use their actual faces they use actual like a modeled Vu character to speak instead of themselves yes called vtubers yes vtubers and it's it's I mean it's not like very recent it's being going on for a while gee Jesus

Christ you have the codes Zess gift okay great it's basically ingame cinematics from the yeah I'm Prett sure like with the all non skippable intros and and [ __ ] or like stuff it's just I keep seeing the bear character all the time really I mean uh yeah this is interesting uh okay so a real twitch you they have real yeah real people actually talking about it this this girl but it's like it's all the same it's all the same what can we I mean what you expect like know can't yeah being pulled into lava or what yeah oh that would be great I mean I I would I would try that because like again all this of course they want to double down on their production quality because nobody can match that like that's that's that's yeah look they have three minute long

videos so I mean they are kind of rid this is basically an anime y it's yeah exactly it's basically anime and uh but I mean it's not that interesting honestly at least and this my very subject opinion obviously that's my very subjective opinion it looks amazing but is is this like a video creative or like a you know that's trending at the moment I mean you think cpis are on this it must be honestly I I I don't I don't really know if you had to guess though like if you had to guess because the the installation packages was like six gigs yeah the conversion is very low honestly um that's very hard guys okay in

[Music] us let's see I think it can be anything between 10 to 30 m that's what that would be my guess definitely lower than uh than metri we still don't see like keep in mind that we still don't see a lot of their channels in China which are just we don't we don't but let's you know we see Facebook if they don't run that much okay they run the thing is that I'm not saying like they did something very wrong I think they're can iterated what they had but the problem is that it pretty much hit the diminishing returns of what they had already so they did everything they could which I think is great in itself but it's not enough unfortunately for the diminishing R to be nullified you say diminishing returns one more time it's going to be banned from this podcast as well there are a lot of lot of YouTube

and then Google obviously let's see Tik Tok with this game it's going to be more TI yeah okay for for sure all the same so it's like got like 10 Concepts people anime story and there we go N I know but they were like running quite a lot of the pre-registration campaigns which I saw uh and it was interesting they were not only running this for for the store uh but Al also for their website and and I think uh it was or like either for PC client or do they have a PC client I think so yeah of course I'm playing PC CL okay so it wasn't like a regular pre-registration campaign you I see it all the time by the way in blue stack and all the other emulators of sted with those yeah yeah so and I don't know honestly it's this was just like

the saddest episode ever I think the sad yeah the sadness multiplier was real yeah yeah they can still you know kind of do something with it the like the best assessment will be after like one or two content Cycles until we see those spikes that we see with genin and honkai and by the time we I can bet you like it's not going to be B uh it's going to be maybe like three meal a day max maybe like three and a half it's not going to be more than than the the L the L Spike yeah yeah I would say no not really let's see it's just that yeah all right on that bombshell time to the end yes yeah yeah because we are already in China if you're listening probably talk to Mi hoo directly hello yeah yeah hello guys I'm preparing for a party at lit games

offices on Friday so as I said I'm would really like for mihoyo to do something out of their way of what like their kind of gacha machine they have like they I think they need to change their meta here to kind of move away from it to have for what what would be your score for this game M five out of 100 no no no like the game is not bad don't get me wrong like as I said because of I don't I don't don't give a [ __ ] about this SC 6.5 fair fair enough okay listen thank you very much for listening uh please uh cheat yourself up after this episode we will we will try to do that as well go go roll some vus Ina I'm not sure if people want to do that after this one but yeah anyway uh and see if if you come to this point and you're listening to this episode you're going to do exactly that that's true guar true yeah that's very true that's very true so thank you very much uh

please share the the episode maybe not this one but the others with indry friends friends and colleagues and then uh see you next time thank you much join our select channel it's very important yeah get those wus see you l byebye [Music] [Applause] [Music]