Interview: World of Warcraft bosses on ageing players, Midnight and expanding the Warcraft IP

Warcraft itself is poised for growth. It's a fantastic IP. It's been underutilized and I just want to bring it to as many people as possible.
We firmly believe that our best years are ahead of us. It's game design, but it's also social design and it's trying to understand and think about how we meet a new generation where they are.
Hello and welcome to the game business show with me Christopher Ding. Now, the iconic World of Warcraft remains the biggest MMO in the world. It's now well over 20 years old and is about to launch its latest expansion, Midnight, next month. I've not actually caught up with the World of Warcraft team for a very long time. And things have changed quite a bit since I last did. Uh they now make expansions a lot faster. They've changed their dev structure to be more reactive. They launched World of Warcraft Classic, a bit like Old School Runescape. It's a very old version of World of Warcraft, and that has a major impact on what they're doing with the modern game, too. So when Blizzard invited me to chat with executive producer and vice president

for World of Warcraft, Holly Longdale and game director Ian Hazak Costas, I said, "Actually, yes, please." That that would be quite interesting cuz I want to know what is the future of Warcraft? How are they catering to the aging audience? What can we expect for Midnight? And what has changed now that they're part of Microsoft? Here's what Holly and Ian had to say. Hello, Holly. Hello, Ian. Welcome to the show.
Hello.
Hello. You're about to launch this big Midnight expansion. Um, I'm going to ask a very broad general question, but how significant is this one? How does it compare to what you've what you've done previously?
It's a big one.
Yes. It's also a continuum of the direction we're going in the World Soul Saga. Just this notion of having, you know, a multi-expansion story line is something new for us or was new for us when we embarked on this journey. At the same time though, World of Warcraft is always World of Warcraft. We are telling stories where the world is evolving as we move forward, but

obviously we are focused. I'm sure we're excited to talk about that here about where we're going with World of Warcraft over time. Mhm.
Everything you're seeing is a result of listening uh and observing and what the team is passionate about what we see the players are passionate about, how we we watch player behavior, being mindful in terms of what makes it big. It's this ongoing process of watching player behavior, how gaming is changing, how our players are changing, as well as how they're staying the same, the things they they will always want. But we're really excited about it. We want everybody to play World of Warcraft. We think it's beautiful. [laughter]
Yeah. I think with regard to Midnight, every World of Warcraft expansion is expanding our world. It's telling exciting new stories. It's offering a range of new experiences and challenges for players. But I think what makes Midnight pretty special is that this is introducing probably the biggest single feature we've ever added to World of

Warcraft. And it's an entirely new way to play and experience the game. And I'm talking about our housing feature. In the past, you were wandering this world of Azeroth. You were exploring. You were, you know, slaying dragons and getting epic loot and making friends along the way. But housing lets players own a piece of the world that they can customize and shape to be their home away from home and a new avenue for expression and a new avenue for connection. And this is something that we're introducing with an eye towards it not just being a centerpiece of Midnight, but really World of Warcraft going forward. All of our future expansions, everything we do is going to be interwoven through this system. And so it's it's exciting, a little bit terrifying rolling it out and seeing, you know, millions of players jump in and begin to experience it, but it's probably, you know, one of the biggest changes I can think of in the game's history
because like the Sims really in and Animal Crossing and and a bit cozy game plays. Is that a reflection of how your audience is changing or has it always been like that?

I think for us it's acknowledging the audience that has been there. They've been asking for this for 20 plus years. And when I talked about observing player behavior, we know about our players. While we have a full range of ages, we know the people across the industry, gamers that is, they don't have a lot of time anymore necessarily. And we want to make sure
we're respecting the ways they play. And things like housing, allow you to come in, achieve something without pressure. And we see this more and more across the industry and even across our own players when we watch them play. So you're aware of this, Chris, when you first launch an expansion. We have a whole segment of players that come in and play through the campaign and then they're happy. They got the story and they're happy and then they get into a more casual space. Well, we want them to be able to come in and play, which is another reason why we

created the live team to be more reactive and have patches every 8 weeks or so because they just want to be able to come in and experience something short-term within an hour, half hour. So we want to be cognizant of that as well as you know frankly we wanted it to you know uh [laughter] while it's coming out now Ian can speak to this in clearer terms but there's been a number of people working on this for years and years because of their passion around it. So
yeah I think it's a feature that's been speculated about by players and asked for by some players honestly since WoW's earliest days. I mean, I've been on the team for coming up on 18 years at this point, and it's something that was being discussed internally as a potential idea for as long as I've been on the team. But it was always it always felt a bit too big. It always felt just out of reach because fitting a feature of this scope into a single expansion, just the development cycles didn't work out. So, what we ultimately ended up doing was devoting multiple expansions worth of

development time to make it everything it needs to be in order to meet players expectations. and exceed them. And I think, you know, so far it's been really exciting seeing people seeing people jump in. Getting back to the question about player motivations and audience, you know, I think it's it's a mix of kind of broadening our reach and trying to offer, you know, new motivations, a new type of gameplay, but it's also about, I think, serving players and motivations that have been there since day one. Like from the earliest days of World of Warcraft, we've had vibrant role-play communities that aren't going out and playing our dungeons that we made for them. They're telling their own stories with each other. They're interacting with each other. And that's almost in spite of us not giving them many tools and a framework within which to do that. Players have always, you know, been drawn to socialization, to cosmetic customization, to self-expression. And I think this is pulling all of those motivations together. And I think we're excited to really be able to truly serve this

audience that has always existed and been a huge part of World of Warcraft's history, but now can kind of be front and center when it comes to this portion of the game.
Quite I like what you're talking about the sort of people with less time and and we're actually seeing that particularly as you look at the data and the industry is aging, right? We're not we're not kids anymore. People have less time and it must be true of your audience as well. I I imagine you're bringing in new people all the time, but I imagine that how old World of Warcraft is now as a franchise. You must be having it where some of your core most avid players just don't have that much time or or play in different ways than they used to.
A thousand%. And I think it's interesting too that there's so many aspects of this game that do largely address that. For example, when we look at guilds and weekly rating, having a schedule, you know, you can kind of build some of your life around enables that kind of gameplay, which I think is fantastic. We didn't necessarily do that at the casual end of the scale and that's why we're really excited about housing given that housing reaches through every

gaming segment we have in our game between casual and people who you know we lovingly call them midcore. Um uh and it is about time. We've got a lot of players that say to us I I want to play with my kids now. like give me something I can do and play with my kids or play with my partner. We have so many players and now the ability to really dig into how they play. It's given us a lot of really interesting opportunities to be able to, you know, broaden. To Ian's point, we are aiming at a game that's approachable for anyone.
This idea of a third space that you can come and hang out and it's not necessarily just standing there staring at each other. You can go do housing. You can go collect things for housing. You can go raid. You can dungeon. You know, we're looking at different ways with the time you have available to have options that feel meaningful. Delves are another part of that.
I'm really proud of how the team has

crafted a response to how players are changing and what they're asking for. I like the idea that at some point in the in the probably not too distant future, you're going to have a generation of players that grew up with World of Warcraft who are now retiring and suddenly the situation's reversed and you're going to have a very active audience with lots of time on their hands and they want [laughter] they want a very different thing.
Yeah. And I think we also too like in in our meanderings and aspirations, you know, we look at other games that have, you know, a lot of younger players and they're going to grow up. and why can't we be there to meet them, you know, as they advance. So, we're thinking pretty broadly, but not so broadly that we're scattered. Once we make a decision, we are very committed to it. I think housing to Ian's point is an expression of that. That, you know, one of the biggest fears we were talking about is like we can't launch it if it's not if it isn't great. [laughter]
Yeah.

Because that's not who we are nor who we want to be. But we do want to be creative
about how we deliver for the variety of players that do love WoW and those we hope will love it in the future.
I think breath really is is the key there. It's less about change in the sense of moving away from something and becoming something different and more about you know being broader and more approachable in our offerings and meeting people where they are.
I think we already do have you know retired folks playing World of Warcraft generation of young students who may have all the time in the world to to dive into World of Warcraft. I think, you know, 20 years ago, there was the sense that for a lot of people, the game might be something that appealed to them, but they thought they're like, I don't have the time for this. World of Warcraft is a game that's going to be all consuming, and if you can't, you know, spend dozens of hours a week, there's no point. That is not what we are anymore. It's not what we've been for a long time. But we still have that depth for those who want us. you know,

it is a game that can be experienced in bite-sized chunks. If you only have 20 minutes to play, you can accomplish something and move your character forward, but if you have an entire weekend or a vacation or whatever and you want to to go deep, that's there as well. And so, I think, you know, that's kind of been our approach to make sure that we are growing up with our players, but also remaining approachable and exciting for new generations and for everything in between.
How is the objective to sort of deliver faster expansions? I know that's been going on a while now, but how's that been going? Have you learned anything unexpected from that?
Uh, I'm not sure I'd say unexpected. We've learned a lot. Uh, it's very challenging. It is a trillion piece puzzle, you know, and I think just organizationally the team changed a lot a lot so we could bring focus. We, you know, we have actual teams dedicated to each expansion and dedicated to live and we have a team dedicated to housing. We are a pretty

large scale team, but when you look at the pieces of the teams that create the product, they're sort of average size, but for our ability to be able to speed up expansions a bit, it hasn't been easy. But my goodness, how they've taken the challenge. We always go through this on this team and I couldn't love them more for it. We scope things so that they're reasonable and doable and they always do more than we expect. Sometimes I mean most of the time they tell Ian [laughter] but a lot of the time they hey I added this thing. Um because that's the level of passion that is required not the time the passion.
They find ways to do things without too many compromises to themselves. They're just so creative and innovative and passionate about what they deliver to players to always give them that 20% more somehow.
So I think in what we've done, I think as we go through it, Ian, we forget that

we're shaving time off for the good of the players.
Yeah,
it isn't easy, but the process has remained relatively similar. It's just around focus like Mets and Ian and you know we have a core crew at the beginning of any expansion like 13 is already well underway last Titans well underway and we're thinking beyond that. It requires that kind of focus and planning in order to make this real so that people do have the time and the agency to create what they want to create within. So, if I were to say we learned anything, it's really how to be sharp and be clear with a pretty large team about what we're doing, what we hope they can do as we move forward. A lot more communication. Yeah.
The focus hasn't necessarily been on faster expansions per se. It's more been on a steady delivery of content to players without gaps. And I think 10 years ago, it was almost taken as a given by our community that at the end of a given expansion, there was going to

be a six-month drought with nothing new in World of Warcraft. And like that was it objectively unfair to our players and something that we've been working for a long time to try to fix. I think from my perspective, the one biggest change along with, you know, just very rigorous planning and and pre-planning, I think it's been investing in our leadersh. Um, I think at times in the past we've tried to grow the team thinking, "All right, let's bring more people on to deliver more content with fewer gaps, but there were still, you know, when we tried this years ago, we still ran into the same bottlenecks in terms of approval, of creative direction, of game direction, of decision-m
and I think our our focus in the last few years has really been on building empowered, strong, creative leaders, people who understand the spirit of World of Warcraft and and make decisions and keep things moving forward so that we can work on multiple things in parallel and keep content flowing into our players hands. I think for those

who've been following World of Warcraft press for a long time, past leaders have talked about the goal for faster expansions. I think as long as I can remember before I even worked at the company, there were people talking about annual expansions like in the Burning Crusade, Wrath, the Lich King era. But I think what that always ran into was, you know, again, these bottlenecks where because everyone was focused on one thing and making it great, the next one along the line withered and was delayed. And I think what, you know, we are, as we release Midnight in a few weeks, uh, this will be the fastest expansion we've ever made.
It's crazy
in terms of the shortest gap between expansions. We've had regular 8week content updates all along the way. no corners cut, no compromises in terms of what we're delivering to our players, and no sacrifices to quality. And I think most importantly perhaps, no sacrifices to to team health. I think I can truly say, you know, which which may be a rarity in the game industry, that thankfully that's starting to change more. Um, this is an expansion that was

made without crunch. This was an expansion that was made without telling the team, "All right, we need to come in weekends and stay late and work harder." we did this smarter instead of pushing our team in unsustainable ways because at the end of the day we're going to keep making this game for years and years and decades [laughter] and yeah this is a marathon not a sprint and we need to to treat it in accordingly both when it comes to supporting our team and supporting our players.
Well that's a very thorough answer. I like that. [laughter] um any follow-up questions I might have had were were similarly dis uh uh handled. Well, one thing I'm always fascinated with because I I live in Cambridge, so I live near Jagex and their thing with Runescape and Runescape um old school Runescape. I find that absolutely fascinating. I know that's completely transformed that company and obviously I've not spoken to you since the classic version of World of Warcraft, which is ages ago now. But so I'm interested to know what have you learned from that? What's that done since bringing that out?

Oh, classic. Yeah.
Um, that was my starting point on World of Warcraft. I think a few months after it launched, I think for the internal team it was unexpected. For those of us on the outside, it was like, well, obviously, you know, [laughter]
but the scale and scope of it outpaced anything anyone could imagine. Not just in numbers, but in audience and passion. They are completely different for the most part than modern players.
Oh, sounds good.
They behave differently. They want different things. We don't have a whole lot of crossover between both games
really.
So, that team is listening very keenly to that audience and they always have um even in terms of pacing of patches and uh it's all very engineered for the audience that is specific to classic.
Oh, wow. And then you know uh in my early times especially when I came to

classic from the outside seeing this amazing transformation obviously in partnership with Ian the entire time and the rest of um the leadership team is this idea of you know can we as World of Warcraft do a bit of experimentation because we hear what they want. Can we do this idea of seasons for classic just to get a picture what do they really want and in some cases they created it themselves like hardcore and we thought the ability to pivot on the classic team and create hardcore and launch it as an official realm like that to me that's what we're aiming for is reactivity to what the players not just those who create it themselves what we're hearing where the trends are what the mood is and I think you know, some of them are bigger lists like housing um and classic. It's on a long journey of you know I hate to say discovery given season of discovery but it is we're in a

very exploratory space with classic
and we are listening but it has at a foundational level changed how the WOW team thinks about the content they create and make in that it can be reactive while they are committed to what classic is like there's era that is the unchanged version of classic. And then we have progression, which is reliving how expansions roll out. And we were completely staggered that for the anniversary roll out, that was just as popular as anything else we've done. And in my own history in this MMO industry, there is this group of players that cycle over cycle will keep doing it and keep doing it and want to relive those moments, those day one moments and, you know, year one moments. So again, very different behavior than modern.
Wow.
Different ethos. And so those teams are

obviously separate because their focus is entirely different.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Yeah. So, I know we're not talking about classic really, but I just find it fascinating because I jackets barely changed anything in old school Runescape. They've been like they're terrified of upsetting that core players like something like 70% or whatever of people have to agree any changes they make. And it sounds like you've got almost multiple different versions of how you approach it, which is even also interesting, fascinating.
That's how we started. Like when we first relaunched Classic in 2019, the the mantra at the time was like literally # no changes. It's what our community wanted. The community viewed this 2004 game as the perfect game and we went out of our way to even reproduce bugs and to reproduce quirks [laughter] game
after after I think once a community was playing the game now it's a living organism and like any MMO it belongs to them as much as it does to us and I think they came to the realization that like no there there are areas where they would like to see change they would like

to see some some things tweaked and I think that gave the team license to begin to experiment. And yeah, it's just been a fun example of the broadening of the opportunities and avenues that we try to offer to the World of Warcraft community. I mean, they are largely separate games at this point, largely separate communities, but all part of like all under this World of Warcraft umbrella
and part of our community worldwide.
Fascinating. You've been part of Microsoft now for quite a while. Um, they've obviously got a load of things they they do when it comes to servicing, but you obviously are even more experienced in many other ways than they are. How have you found life under there? There's been a lot of collaboration, a lot of working together.
I think honestly one of the one of the best things about it has been, you know, like we get on calls with the Elder Scrolls team. We talk to them. We get insights from Minecraft and chat with them and it does unlock all this opportunity that probably would have been there if we made the phone call. [laughter] But other than that, we don't really feel their presence. like we don't feel

a Microsoft presence. I think they're they've been very trusting and supportive of the work we're doing
to say the phrase, you know, keep cooking like keep doing what you do.
And we're doing that with insights and sharing knowledge with other teams and having visits with them and uh I think that's one of the joyous things. The other side of it too is looking at all the opportunity that you know being part of Microsoft can deliver for our players like where are the opportunities there for you know as we want to grow. Um and there's you know probably some obvious glaring uh topics in there but that to me is where the opportunity lies. I've only seen it so far consequential only in the positive way. They've been inclusive. we get to hear and see really cool things that are coming up [laughter] that we wouldn't see otherwise. Okay. But obviously it's the connections and learnings especially from uh Elder Scrolls and Minecraft uh

and other live service games where
you know what can we share, what can we learn, where are we going, what are we seeing. It's fantastic.
Okay, I'm going to go back to something you said earlier which was around sometimes you just want to try stuff. I'm interested because obviously you want to listen to the players. That's the whole that's the whole strategy if you got a successful live service business. You listen to the players. You react to the players. And that's what we've talked about throughout this whole chat. But also, you're creators, you're artists, right? You want to come up with new ideas and innovations and stuff. You want to give players things they didn't even realize they wanted, right? So, how do you strike that balance between wanting to create and innovate and just break stuff and obviously also very the most important thing which is making sure we react to what they're saying?
I think listening to players is less about hearing them say we want X and then going and making X. It's more about them saying telling us what they enjoy, what they're frustrated with, what they wish there was more of and both, you know, telling us through forums, through

social media, through in-game feedback, but also just through data, through their behavior, and making sure we have, you know, good analytics so that we're understanding what our silent majority or plurality of players are actually doing with their time. people who aren't necessarily going to forums or to X or whatever to to talk to us. And then yeah, just trying to serve those motivations. I think one of one of the most exciting features that we've added to WoW in recent years,
Holly referenced it earlier. It was a feature called delves that we added in the War Within expansion that are basically, you know, very dynamic solo or small group dungeons that rather than needing a a pre-made group to do, you can just do on your own in your own time. That's not something players were explicitly asking for, but what we were seeing was that there were tons of players who played solo, who maybe played with a single friend, who, you know, engaged with the game deeply, but then kind of hit a wall at our endgame or felt like you needed to join a large group in order to progress further, in order to do anything. And so, you know,

understanding that gap, understanding this audience's need is a big part of what led us to say, okay, we're going to prioritize really adding a true deep endame for them. And that's become and remains a pillar of World of Warcraft today and going forward. And I think it's something that, you know, some players, it was interesting to see a lot of our loudest players, frankly, a lot of our influencers, content creators were skeptical about the feature when it was initially announced because it wasn't for them,
right?
They were already enjoying going into raids with 15 other people or whatever and kind of wondered like, why is Blizzard wasting their time on this thing? Turns out Dells are, you know, one of the most popular features we've ever made. They just weren't aimed necessarily at our hardcore audience, but you know, it's it's what players needed.
Yeah, that must be difficult when you've got so many different audiences, all different shapes and sizes, all wanting different things.
Yeah, it's hard. It's really hard not to react and not to overreact. Um, so, you

know,
grateful that we have all these avenues to collect data so we can try and get the true story, not the story of the moment. You know,
and I think it's it's it's one of the hallmarks of World of Warcraft. I think from a developer perspective, boy, is it challenging. Well, it would be so much simpler if we could just pick one or two play styles and say, "Okay, we're going to make the game for these players and we're going to hypers serve them and it would be much easier for everyone and it would be a far worse game." And I think part of the magic of World of Warcraft is that you can have a dozen different people who all identify as serious WoW players. You could sit them around a table and ask them what it is that they like about the game and what they do when they log in. And you could hear a dozen different stories. But all of those people cohabit the same interconnected MMO world. And that world is so much richer for all of those different perspectives than it would be if we just picked one or two play styles

and said, "Okay, we're going to cater to those at the expense of everything else."
And I I just wanted to say when you were asking about, you know, how do we make sure we as creators are doing what we think players want? And you know, we do we have all this information at our backs, but really like even when we talk about the inception of an expansion, if we take Last Titan for example, it's a sitting in a room and it's like we're gamers. We love WoW. What do we want to see? Like what do we want this game to do? Uh and we go through like what's going to make us sit up and notice not just our player base, but what do like what are we super passionate about? and you get incredible ideas that are innovations grounded in, you know, a passion for the game uh and where we see the world uh can evolve a little bit for for players. So there is absolutely room. I'm really proud of the team and

the fact that we go in informed. So these aren't whims, they're based on a foundation of solving a problem which our team is uh incredibly good at.
This is really good. It's really fascinating chat getting insight into how how you're working and the team and all of that. But I'm interested to know then what's the and obviously I don't asking for a detailed road map here but I often say what's the fiveyear plan what's the 10ear plan I guess if you can have a 10-year plan in video games. I don't know if that's remotely possible but like what what's the long-term vision of where where you'd like to end up?
I mean top top line we want everybody to be able to play WoW. We think well we think I I will say this for myself. I think Warcraft itself is poised for growth. It's a fantastic IP. I think in my humble opinion, it's been underutilized and I just want to bring it to as many people as possible and that means, you know, evolving what Warcraft means, what it is, and where

it's going. We want it to be approachable. And that's also part of it. You know, even with Chris Mson, we talk about he sometimes he's like, "Man, I wish we hadn't called it Warcraft. Sounds kind of intimidating." Like, nobody really thinks that about Warhammer. It's just it's it's an understood name essentially. So, this idea of third space in our online worlds, we couldn't even define what that means exactly, but we're working on figuring that out. We want people to come in and hang out and have birthdays, have weddings, have raids, grand adventures, play with their friends, meet new friends, like all the things that traditionally for over 20 years, World of Warcraft has been good at. And at the same time, we want to take advantage of 20 years of stories that have been told and not told and start bringing it out to the world in a broader way. Like, that's my goal and vision. And I I know Ian supports it and

you know we we do hear these impassion cries from you know parents who are like ple for let me play this game with my kids. I just want to hang out with my kids. Um and I don't want to do it in other games. I want to do it in the game I love. And so that's a minor seed uh of the vast you know potential garden of you know people who love incredible challenges. Like what are we going to do for them in the future? um how do we roll in the community? And you know, one of the lovely things about housing that's a reminder to us is, you know, we only kicked that off in earnest in December um to have people filtering into it. And just to see there's now a whole community forming around how to make stuff. That to me is the beauty of MMOs. It becomes a real community, not just in-game, but in-game and out that supports each other. Uh and that to me is the dream and as much of that as we can create loving community that likes

to inform and be experts and share that to me is online spaces in a fantasy realm that gives you an escape, gives you a place to hang out, gives you something to focus on when maybe things outside of that realm may be not so good or even if they're great and you want to share it with somebody. So I think and can speak to it too. That to me is broadly speaking every decision we make has that kind of thread in it and where are we going? How do we get to this space where everyone is welcome? You know tying into how they play and the activities they want to do and who they want to do it with and even who they don't want to. The whole team is excited about this idea of we want to preserve what World of Warcraft is and what people expect. We're never going to stop doing the things we know people love. Um, but at the same time, I think we have a bigger vision simply than an MMO RPG
in my
Well, Ian, do you have anything to add to that or is that robustly answered?

I mean, I think yeah, we we we firmly believe that our best years are ahead of us. It's game design, but it's also social design. And it's trying to understand and and think about, you know, how how we meet a new generation, where they are. Mhm.
Um and yeah, that's going to mean thinking outside the box in some places. Um compared to what our game has traditionally been, but we're excited to keep taking big swings and to, you know, to to dream big and to do what we can to make that a reality.
Brilliant. Um I'm conscious of the time and I know that you're building up to the launch of the expansion now you're doing stuff in game and and having sort of getting people. So you're right in the midst of it. So I'll let you get back to it, but thank you so much Ian. Thank you so much Holly for joining us. It's a fascinating fascinating to see Warcraft and I do honestly believe that in like 20 years time we're going to get a load of retired people just flooding back in. I'm looking forward to uh my generation getting bunch of them still play but a lot some of them don't have as much time anymore. So
we can hang out. You can join our guild.

[laughter]
Yeah. Looking for wow parties in the old in in the retirement homes. [laughter]
It will happen. I believe it. I believe it will happen.
Cosplay could be a thing, by the way.
Oh, yeah. Well, you there's somebody showed link me to an esports team of people, pensioner esports teams. I think it's great. I It's going to happen. It's happening.
I'm in. I'm in.
We're It's We're still in the early days of video games. [laughter] Uh thank you, Ollie. Thank you, Ian. Um I really enjoyed that.
Thank you. It's been a pleasure.
Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
That's it for this week's episode of the Game Business Show. Uh thank you to Holly and Ian for joining me. I I actually thought that was a really interesting chat. I didn't know what to expect and I have sort of a burning urge now to go back and play a bit more Warcraft. We will be back, of course, with more news, analysis, insight, and interviews in the days and weeks ahead. If you want to make sure you don't miss an episode, head to the game.com right now and sign up for our newsletter. Until next time, thank you for tuning

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