UFOs & Conspiracies with Leo Gonzalez | 361

[Music] what's up everybody welcome to another episode of Game Dev unchain the number one game development podcast about game development and the lifestyle thereof I am your host Brandon bam and with me my BFF Leo Gonzalez how you doing Leo um pretty good getting over some kind of chest cold thing from last week so sorry if I sound kind of off sound good to us well at least to me uh this is the part of the podcast before we get into the meta topic and this bonly segment that I'm I'm thinking of us doing can you give the good people you've been on the podcast before a few times at least once I think twice I think so but uh for the good people out there that haven't caught up to your episode just little short synopsis

where you been where you at where you heading just to give them a little love before they uh invest in you okay um I mean I'm nobody super interesting or anything I just I'm a self-taught game developer and kind of a a renaissance man I like to do lots of different things and build things and Tinker with stuff and figure how things work and constantly trying to um learn new stuff awesome uh for a little background Leon and I actually are business partners we own a company we run a company god demics um I think I we mentioned this a few times before links is in the show description but you know we worked together professionally at a a small company way back at spark we've actually had a few people from Spark since then

on the podcast and uh since then forced this great friendship and now we've been running gemics in our eighth year right so we've been doing it for a while yeah going going into year eight yeah 2017 uh it is and we we joke about this among ourselves it really to me at least feels like a second marriage it is a Real Testament of our friendship when your your finances involved good thing or a really bad thing well for us it's a good thing right so we took it a step further than a regular friend and develop a real Bromance with with uh you know real uh Finance tied two things yeah uh but anyways the segment you know we we talk about these things and I kind of want to do something different and hopefully the listeners will respond we talk mainly about game development but there's a different passion that I've always had I

am in love with conspiracy and Leo coincidentally and this is why our quote unquote marriage work also love conspiracy just for the fun of it you know we're not like completely 100% believing everything that we see on the internet or a Reddit Forum but it's like one of those fun thing as creative we can totally see it kind of feeding back into what we do every day right so we want to dedicate this segment to that as well like over the eight years that we've been in business we've seen a lot of crazy things that is so hilarious and at certain times it's so many things have happened that I tend to forget until something pops up and we want to start kind of documenting that and we want to at least you know maybe share a little bit here in this in this segment just to kind of introduce that part but also want to advise that anything we share any fictional characters that may may not sound like a

real person uh you know the names have changed to protect those identities got change the names to protect the innocent or the not so innocent yes so uh first off I want to kick this with uh John McAfee I don't know if you know about this but he's back right uh and for the good people out there let me kind of provide a synopsis right he just popped back on X saying that his account isn't hacked that he's the real deal and he's he's back to report thing John McAfee uh most famously is behind the mcfey antivirus program is this multi-centric multi-billionaire involved in a lot of controversies even like the death of his neighbor like he's and he in 2020 he was one of the first that was in B yes in 2020 he was one of the first to kind of sound the alarm was like don't take the vaccine

no matter what you do and he's like that was really early too uh and then mysteriously died um shortly after so uh let me kind of run down the facts if you have anything to add to that while I kind of look this up well just to make sure the good people know big thing I was going to add is is what yes so let me let me start with is he passed away already I know right so this I I'll show let me share this so I saw this yesterday he posted yes well someone on this account posted but first thing uh it mentioned was like this is not hacked [Music] um the first thing somebody at lies says this is not a lie let me go to his account right here and share that screen real quick because it was like it's freaking awesome dude it's like the first thing that somebody says when they do something wrong it's like

hey before you find out your car got keyed I it wasn't me I didn't key it just just in case you're wondering yeah right let me go to his account right here all right so he's been pretty active right this his latest post is like I'm back with antivirus an AI version of myself you didn't think I would miss the cycle did you do not fall for scam token so this whoever took over his account which I have a hard time believing because Elon mus is like a huge so this is the first one he's posted for a while John account has not been hacked this is the real deal more information forthcoming and this just happened yesterday we're just supposed to trust it's a verified account that is his account it's a verified account it's an it's actually his account but you know uh not knowing so that's that's a fact I mean not you know

separating uh the person that passed away or whatnot from a ex account right just looking at it objectively like like data so you have an X account that at some point was verified um and you know how they verify I guess that's another question but somehow after he passed away you know in the future now recently someone gained control of that verified account and they are guess masquerading his him or putting out messages yeah on beh going on right um but he he's so famous for like the antivirus program he's like a lot of leaders uh in public statements about saying like um like this like the uh the the virus um the covid vaccines not taking that uh but you know he is

supposedly Dead uh but yeah you were mentioned bise do you want to talk more about that that's something that you know about where he I mean I'm not an expert in it I I saw in the news you know everything that I'm sure yeah I mean everyone you know if you look into it it's the same info that you know if you look into it uh it's the same info that I have which was that he got into some dispute with a neighbor um in b um the the allegation is that he ended up shooting the neighbor and then went on the Run ended up in Spain yes um I don't know if he went anywhere if he went from bise to Spain or if he went from bise to you know question mark and then eventually ended up in Spain but I know because he was in the news a lot um very colorful character yeah he eventually ended up in Spain got arrested in Spain in 2020 for tax evasion tax evasion yes yeah uh

despite earning Millions from crypto currency so I mean this this whole thing his death yeah was ruled by Suicide of course uh you know going back to the Spain thing and I'm just thinking out loud here why would you if you know the IRS is after you or or whoever's after you right from the US why would you go to an extradition treaty country like Spain yeah what is the assumption that somehow Spain's going to make an exception for you and not hand you over obviously they're going to arrest you yeah and uh wait for you know US Marshals or whoever to arrive to transfer you uh back to the US right to New York or wherever they they take you like why would you why would you go to Spain that makes no sense yeah I it was just one of those maybe we can ask maybe we can he's alive let's ask like hey man before you

die cool cool tip on the vaccine but why'd you go to Spain yeah did you not know they would arrest you yeah I don't know just hey Leo I want to talk to you about this idea of mental wealth I know you've been having trouble sleeping Insomniac is a very uh recurring problem that you're trying to get under control well magic M just came out with a new product called a sleep Elixir that helps fix fix your sleep they've always been good about long-term mental resilience and they talk about the idea of mental wealth which kind of boils down to five key things which is sleep diet exercise Stress Management and exogenous compounds right exogenous compounds are is a fancy word that contains three main subjects neutop which is uh supplements that help with focus and mental Clarity adaptogens which are herbs like Asanda uh that will help match stress

and nutritional supplements stuff like Omega-3s and your magnesium that supports brain health for me working in all these areas is a game changer so one of the things that really helped me stay on track again is Magic mine right they have their main Elixir that helps with mental focus and gives you the extra boost of the day and then at night you take the Sleep Elixir that actually helps me wind down in turn will definitely help you and it's just as important as staying productive so imagine mind has this awesome new bundle where you can grab both the mental performance shot and the Sleep Elixir all together you can check it out at magic.com slgd Jan again that's magic.com gdu Jan you can get 45% off this mle and it is guaranteed to be a great addition to your team so if you're working and trying to work on your mental wealth

give it a try and Leah I'm going to grab you some it's just among the many list of like weird things that's been going on in the past six months right just um but you know just that I just wanted to kind of start off with that because that was fresh off but the real meat of conspiracy the things that everyone is hearing about but no one is really talking too much about right at least in a regular ccle is the aliens man all right so the egg thing that's happening supposedly you watched the 1 Hour episode that they made like a huge promotional push a lot of people yeah it's now I'll never get back I'm just gonna say that so it was just like those useless UFO documentaries right that just dragged on for an hour did they show the footage at the beginning at least or they showed at the end like a big payoff man I think a lot lot of people will will understand what I'm about to

say but long story short Ross card card is that how you say coard Ross has officially become in my opinion the um ight shimal Milan of Journalism yeah you know M shal Milan should not be allowed to make movies I know he's got fans out there I don't care I I hate his movies I think he's an expert trailer guy like a hook guy like ni schan can make the most badass trailers previews um and he can hook you in you're just like wow this movie looks awesome can't wait for it to go watch it you go watch it and every time you come out of the movie theater just want to punch something just I want my money back this was garbage usually his endings uh really suck that's what uh shimal Ban's known for I can't pronounce his last name whatever yeah um but uh yeah Ross cool tart's actually be

becoming him he's he's constantly like well I got this new announcement coming out new special on news Nation here we go world changing stuff and then you watch it and you're just like huh yeah where's where's the big uh reveal where's where's this where's that he just kind of leaves you hooked in and then you know six months later another special gets announced and you're just like all right this is it this is it we're going to find out if we're alone in the universe we're going to find out if the government's been lying to us we're going to find out what this Tech is or who got assassinated to keep this a secret nope nothing not a thing yeah and that's what happened the other yeah I mean they were building it up even mainstream news would kept saying the disclosure is happening disclosures happening this past year and a half especially it's been like such a big headline Grabber among many things that been happening I saw the footage

Everyone by now if you're connected to the internet have slightest interest in this it's it's it's literally a green night vision uh uh video footage of an egg being filter and after effects yeah it just it looks super lame right and uh what's funny too is like that same guy that's promoting this stuff well before that there's this guy with the guy you know another famous UFO Insider right and it was like Hey better watch out in the coming days they're going to say there's going to be an object approaching Earth and that we got to prepare oursel and it's a way to kind of that Jeremy Corbell that's yeah Corbell post that on a yeah yeah I do like him because he seems like he knows a lot he has like that Alex Jones thing where he's like I'm I'm going [ __ ] crazy knowing what I know

right like I want to listen I don't know if that's I don't know if that's good comparison it was better than the other guy I don't want to discredit the guy the alzando guy he looks too relaxed you know what I mean I was like yeah yeah we got an AEG Alando yeah he's kind of man lately I don't know I feel like the uh the scops happening in the media that's a whole different thing is starting to shift towards a narrative of alzando in on something he's part of disinformation that's what I keep seeing and I kind of caught myself paring that and I'm like wait a minute it's the aggregate of all of the media now trying to you know paint this this Narrative of elando so him I'm not at first I believed him I was like oh man like whistleblower and he seems pretty legit yeah and I started seeing all this other stuff coming out about that hey he might actually be part of a campaign but then it's like oh man it's a conspiracy theory inside

the conspiracy theory you're just like uh DiCaprio when he's spinning the top in inceptions it's like what's real so I don't know Alando I'm kind of like half and half I'm on the fence and kind of waiting for something big to happen or not big but significant where I'm like oh that's the Smoking Gun they caught him he is still working for the Pentagon and he is still part of disinformation because that's what they did with uh Project Blue Book yeah back in the day um with uh what's his face um damn so I'm I'm good at researching this stuff but I'm terrible at memorizing people's names so uh this guy um what's his name is he the main researcher haek uh the main the main uh guy that they got for Project Blue Book back in the day who quit Blue Book because he um wait he basically what he said

wasel no no um he's got one of those uh like HL hch or something like that the people will know I'm butchering it um uh anyway he uh he got brought on to be the lead for Project Blue Book uh back in the what 50s 60s or whatever and um he actually quit Project Blue Book because he thought at the beginning when they when the government brought him in for that the Air Force that it was a legitimate attempt to explain UFOs UAP at the time but you know they called them UFOs and um once he saw that that was not the function or the main purpose of Blue Book he quit because he was like you're wasting my time you're you're hurting my reputation you're going to be I want be yeah yeah Allan heck yeah so he got upset because of that because he felt like they used so what I mean by that is if you look

into blue book blue book at first on the surface to the public was pitched as a kind of like Arrow now yeah right or a tip before Arrow which was where alzando came from right uh very recently um Blue Book was designed to supposedly investigate get to the bottom of and find out what the UFO phenomena was back in the 50s and stuff and uh it was supposed to be so that the public could find out too right it's almost like the government saying like we're with you guys we're not against you let's figure this thing out together but then it you know it was revealed through like memos that leaked and stuff and if you want to go down a rabbit hole you can research this and and you start kind of spinning in circles because it's kind of crazy it reads like something out of an episode of X Files um but you know spoiler alert the long long story short um the the dod wanted the Air Force to

do BL Blue Book because the end goal was already decided so what that means is that before Blue Book even started they had already decided we'll create this thing called Blue Book it'll be a PR thing so that people calm down and they think that the government is doing its job um but at the end we already know what the ending of the story is going to be that UFOs are nothing more than people seeing things people being confused fake reports and there's nothing to see here there are no UFOs it's weather balloons blah blah blah that kind of thing uh side note you're seeing that now with the New Jersey drones right um everyone's being told by the FAA and DHS um at least since you know uh November when people started mass reporting these things uh in the Northeast right not just New Jersey but New York as well and other areas in the Northeast um you know it's so fresh that you can just go on YouTube and and look

up you know uh November and December press conferences by mayorcas the head of DHS at the time um uh and and the had the FAA literally telling News hosts on CNN Fox doesn't matter if it's left or right-wing media they're saying the same message uh people are just confused we looked into it there's nothing to see here the FBI conclusively says there's you know people are just confused right lots of people in the Northeast uh for whatever reason so they're just brushing it off that's what Blue Book was and that's why uh heck uh quit when he realized wait a minute you guys aren't really interested in yeah this is a PR thing to calm down the public about these UFO sightings because in the 50s they had the fly over over the White House in the Capitol Building yeah which is well documented by uh you know credible media sources at the time those UFOs that flew at

um I mean you could look into it I don't have the exact details in front of me but supposedly there are documented um it's documented that radar caught flying objects in formation flying over the capital of the United States most powerful country at the time in the 50s over a period of two weekends um flying I believe more than a th000 miles an hour or thousand miles an hour and um fighter I guess you can call them Jets you know we had pretty primitive fighter planes at the time we got over propeller based planes right like the P-51 Mustang and and and all of that from World War II we were transitioning to aircraft that were jet powered right um not like today's jet turbine engines which are more advanced um but they were starting the trans uh move over to that technology uh but

they couldn't keep up they they got left behind it was like it was like a a Tesla out running an ant you know like no no chance yeah and this event you're refering to is called the referred to as the Washington you can look at it it's it's pretty important yeah it's over a period of two weekends that this happened back to back2 so yeah the yeah 52 and the US government was kind of freaking out because it was like after it happened the second time it was like oh crap this is the beginning of something you know big and then it just didn't happen anymore which is kind of weird um these craft didn't do anything they they didn't land they didn't attack or interfere with anything um one time is a surprise two times over the same place backtack weekend is a pattern yeah

for sure so what these things were why they were doing that and why they decided to do it two weekends in a row some object reaching speeds of up to 7,000 miles per hour yeah so nobody had that technology at the time I think we can say that yeah today it's kind of tricky because technolog is so Advanced right um who knows what the heck lcky Martin and all these companies North uh you know nor Grumman and all these companies have um or Ron which Ron I believe isn't called Ron anymore I forgot their their new name they got they went through some Acquisitions and mergers but uh today yeah technolog is pretty Advanced China's gotten pretty Advanced um drones uh Russia and China have invested a lot into Hypersonic um technology yeah um so who knows and now it's kind of a question mark but in the 50s come on like 1950 too for somebody

to be like well maybe locky Martin has a 7,000 mile per hour aircraft that doesn't fall apart and somehow can carry enough fuel to go that fast because when you go that fast you need more fuel a lot of it yeah so I don't know it's weird well it's definitely worth knowing going back to what you're saying all these like because we've been me and you especially have been super interested in UFO for a while before it got cool right I was not oh you weren't I was you remember all right I was very skeptical I still am but he still skep I was always into I saw a UFO I don't know you mentioned the story well I told you right I'll tell the the listeners it was me and my wife driving down hunting the beach in California Orange County Down PCH which is right next to the beach and my wife was the one that noticed it first she looked out the window and she's like that what is that that's that's not normal I looked out and I was like is that the top of a skyscraper but then

quickly realized you know it's on the beach there's no building on the beach on the Sands and so I was like and she was like that's a UFO that's what a and it looked huge it was as if the best way I describe it if you hold your fist out in the sky that's how big it looked like to us right uh it wasn't one of those Zippity zaps that you see lights you know those crappy footages right could you could you tell how far away if you had the oh that's the thing it was over the beach so there was no uh like over the ocean not yet actually at this point it was just over the parking lot so oh damn so it wasn't something over the horizon in the ocean kind like when you go to San Diego and you see all of the you know the Cruisers and the the the aircraft carriers CU it's a Navy town right you see them out in the distance and that's what I was imagining but you're talking about this thing was no it was clearly above where the Sands

are right but like way up in the sky unfortunately there wasn't anything to kind of be next to it like a building to kind of put a scale so I can't tell how big it was but just it being in the sky it looked big to me not sure how many miles it was so we pulled it alongside on the parking lot of course that's what you do right uh other than chasing it and it just hovered uh went towards us and what's funny what I realized then is like when you see something like that your first instinct is just shock that's where I was it's funny enough I was working XCOM at that time so we were working on an alien yo game at that time and my it wasn't my first inclination to whip out the phone to record it and the second thing I noticed is like there was people there was cars driving and even skateboarders you know riding down the parking lot in the opposite direction no one was looking up it was like obviously in the clip night sky no clouds no sound

but we were it felt like me and her were the only ones that saw this or were watching it and then it did like a yell out to anybody like dude what the heck is that no I I was just like you're just stunned just stunned man just seeing it de de in headlights those are usually the first ones to get abducted yeah exactly if we were alone no doubt we would have been dodged a bullet cos bullet get a probed and everything but like uh it looked like a somero hat not me revolving it looked like an 80s UFO craft which was the other it wasn't that Sleek UFO that you're kind of used to it right and it had a revolving like cheap 80s VHS like blinking lights right so we saw that that's how how close from Night Rider little red light it was uh it was basically just a little distance away from I felt like I could see the surface

right it was just a little further than that and we were able to just spot out the the bright stuff on it and it would hover did like a U-turn and then it went over the ocean finally and then that's when we saw it just go and disappear in the Horizon um and it's a very common thing especially with the New Jersey drones that we were just mentioned a lot of these people we see coming from the ocean even mayor now now that Trump is finally well even police officers police officers But like after Trump is inaugurated now now the mayor's coming out it's like yeah I've seen these freaking drones look like bright lights and then as it got closer it morphed into a drone like craft so that was pretty interesting because I think before this we were all like yeah it's must be Chinese these are obviously I think that was the mayor of Belleville New Jersey yeah so he he mentioned something

like that and he was people are a little a little bit more open and they're still going on that's the thing it's like it hasn't stopped if anything it ramped up the last few days um and uh there haven't been a clear explanation from anybody about what it is uh still Trump said he's going to shoot them down I mean I think they're probably trying to by this point they have to yeah he got inaugurated Monday yeah and today is Thursday yeah haven't heard of any attempts to Sho not out by now right so these drones are are dangerous because they're over air based they don't know what it is they're over military um structures and stuff and well they're over to us period if there's unidentified drones that are evading law local law enforcement counter drone actions yeah's desing as like SUV size it's

huge um I just imagine if people did that on the ground so an example like the counter like uh an analogy would be in New Jersey if there was groups of unmarked cars with no license plates or [Music] identifying things right um and they're driving around the freeways uh going past the speed limit driving the wrong way of the road um basically not following any traffic laws and the police went to go chase them and then they outran the police somehow and the police can't catch them can't do anything to counter them they dropped spike strips these things somehow eat up the spike strips they just go through them and their tires don't blow they don't get affected by them the police can't stop them right what what would happen next well State Police right you got local police sheriff's department or

you know Municipal Police or whatever right um depending on the city or the town State Police would be called in if they couldn't do anything well then the FBI comes in or DHS right if they can't do anything National Guard whatever if they can't do anything and this gang of these blacked out Mustangs that can't be stopped and nobody can identify them it wouldn't just be allowed to continue right taking over the freeways and stuff because that's what these things do yeah um in that one case that uh I forgot which airport it was in New York because the mayor of New York um what's her name Hotel Katherine hoel or whatever her name is she uh she got mad and did a press conference where she called out you know this was like just before uh New Year's she called out the Biden administrate was like what the heck's going on like we had an airport literally have to stop takeoffs and interrupt airport

operations because the drones are with impunity flying over you know the airspace around airports is considered sacred like you're not news news if you're a news station and you got you know the newscopter channel 5 looking at traffic or following like some disaster you're not allowed to fly over an airport or even near there's a buffer right it's restricted airspace the drones are doing whatever so back to my example if there's a a gang of these blacked out Mustangs yeah you know doing donuts and and all and peeling out of not just parking lots but in the middle of I95 and stuff with impunity no one can stop him like it wouldn't just be business as usual it would be a serious problem so I don't know why the the drones are being allowed to you know do whatever they want yeah and that's why I think it feeds into the narrative that the government knows what these are because they're so relax about these threat well they either know

what they are or they know they can't stop them and I guess whatever is is is is causing the inaction or just basically non- commentary because if to say I don't know what's worse to say that we don't know what they are we have no control to stop them to cause you know quote unquote Panic it's pretty bad it's pretty bad but to Aus act and like a lot of government official have said and we don't know what these are already uh it's just you know on the federal level there hasn't really been uh too much attention about or too much worry and that's what's confusing to a lot of people is like it keeps going it keeps happening still happening and uh no one everyone's just going about their day and it's just seems it seems like I don't know it's we weird messaging like something's going on you were mentioning like a huge with Project Blue Book all these things

there's always been a big disinformation campaign there's nothing to see here nothing to seeed and like these these people aando Corbell uh even uh Steven Greer right these are like people that we know for the past 20 years it feels like they're always like On The Fringe of UFO activity they've always been like oh you know it's it's the same guy with the crazy fro on those Ancient Aliens is like it's it's aliens right and it's like one of those like no one takes serious it's just for entertainment must have done it yes and so but like up to this point they've always felt like on the same side it's part of the same small community right and the last six months it's the first time where I'm seeing someone who have done great things uh seem to be part of a different camp now it's like it's it's being divided uh maybe purposely sounds like and uh underlying

all that that it just suggests that something's happening where these Bros are fighting amongst the themselves you know it's such a small community and they can't which Bros are you talking about so like uh fighting who this is another thing so going back to um uh Corbell right Corbell was like uh a few days ago on his own hour special was saying that be careful 2025 2026 right they're going to say by 2027 a large object right that is nonhuman obviously is going to be approaching Earth and then uh us or the world is going to respond with by by by upping our war defenses and to unite you know under one government to fight this threat and he's he's also saying that

this is all going to be fake this is not real all right it's an illusion to to he must have seen a special on Project Blue beam yeah so he said maybe he saw something that changed his mind that happens but that you know with his crazy eyes right he's just like I I've never sleep how can I sleep I know too much you know I was like I trust that gu and then at the same time days later because this is the first time I've heard of that right the 2027 Doomsday well like it wasn't even doomsday it didn't really say like aliens are going to come it's just like a large unidentified object that's going to approach Earth we're going to acknowledge it as a species and we're going to you know uh group our efforts right and it's like oh this is interesting I never heard of this right I've heard of 2012 I heard of all other this stuff I've heard of nibaru right but this is like man that's pretty close this a couple years it's couple NFL season there but then uh days

later like almost to uh on Q right Lis alzando comes out with his special saying that we have a large identified project uh object that is approaching in 2027 and we need to like like oh and that's why I felt like elzando switched sides at as or or is a scop within a sop like he said is like Corbell anticipating this as a disclosure is like me yeah yeah preemptively denouncing his credibility by announcing it first knowing that he was goingon to I don't know but like it is definitely confusing I thought you're saying that yeah so you're saying that the timeline is Corbell announced that there would be an announcement of a UFO what ever and not to not believe it because it's fake

propag whatever right and then timeline wise at some point after that yeah uh Lis alzando comes out and says an announcement yeah of what the first announcement was supposed to be yeah yeah um but he says he's right like yeah he's saying there is Ali is a happening coming and then the egg thing came out which is super lame in my opinion it doesn't show anything and then at the same time step gr like there's only four people right really of this community who are like the Neil um who's that who's that uh physicist uh Neil um de Tyson yeah so the Neil de tyard yeah so these guys are kind of that of the UN Community stepen Greer immediately comes out and said hey we're at that point where we can make [ __ ]

that resemble UFOs right that looks nonhuman this egg thing is fake as [ __ ] right that's what he said in his like own interview and he he said that but like people who are familiar with the documentation that have been in this field for 20 years that have whistleblowers can Spot the Difference but to the naked eye of a regular person they won't be able to but we know and can see the difference and that egg that you guys see is fake it's man-made nothing special I don't know why they put it out there's something going on the the misinformation thing is is disinformation thing is is full in full effect so like there's those three guys that I've seen over 20 years is this there's this weird infighting it feels like that I've never seen before and uh they built such a huge Community

behind them and to get this this point where it feels like uh I don't know people are more uh open to this now than ever they they're fighting against each other instead of uniting and like this is our time to shine type of thing um it's really odd like I don't understand it I mean maybe the Mastermind behind this is like that good right they somehow got these guys the get their own one hour specials just constantly like uh you know [ __ ] on each other's facts because it with within steps they're all kind of saying everyone's wrong right it's it's it's wild I've never seen that before in this his in my history of just being uh it might be the same people behind the uh the referee crew on the chief's Texans game last week why a lot of people know I'm talking about yeah super legal dude it's super

cool it's like don't look don't look at Patrick Mahomes he might fly across the room and you'll get penalized I don't know if you saw that game I saw that flop that massive flop that he did Super flop I was like no don't put flops D all season I've seen screwed up soccer what I'm hearing a lot is like Mom is super awesome as a football player right but he's doing stuff this season where he it's kind of losing a lot of people's respect like you don't need to do that you're such a great player no man I think flopping ruins soccer at least for me I hate it when guys flop in soccer I'm just like come on man the guy was three feet away yeah yeah and you he flew fell the ground rolled three times and you're holding your knee like that Family Guy uh that famous Family Guy episode where he's like ah well there was that other call too it was clearly a fumble and they just rolled as a personal foul within was he throwing a ball he hit his

hand out of momes uh his the ball out of momes uh throwing motion it was clearly a fumble uh but they ruled as a personal foul ruining you know Texans yeah moment there there was a lot of uh going on with the world man pretty obvious pretty obvious like it's not even you don't even have to go in slow motion analyze and like maybe like these were very clear clear but anyway yeah um I was just joking that the conspiracy guys are the same ones behind hiring the refere game the winning narrative is I mean it's working right I myself have are getting so desensitized to this UFO stuff I think everybody is it's become the norm especially when they start doing Congressional hearings about it yeah but also like this feeding of AI videos is like I don't know what could

possibly real like how can anything real go get through all this crap that you can make up now right um can't yeah you can't cross the point of no return yeah so it it's very hard like even the guys that I've always followed who've always been super Fringe and like anti societal Norms are fighting against each other it's like who do I believe now this guy says this egg is Real This egg ain't real this egg looks like [ __ ] like this is the best we got right when when they said man this is going to blow your mind UFO retrieval it's gonna showcase on network television I was like all right awesome Roswell I I blame that on Ross though Ross does a lot a little sensationalist I respect his work actually think um he's doing a really good job of uh doing the stuff that mainstream you know media and journalists want won't won't touch even come near um and maybe there maybe I don't

know I mean it'd be a question for him I can't speak for him but there might be like a subconscious feeling of like I got to overcompensate because this is not something you know people are more interested in like oh did Taylor Swift make it to the Chiefs game or whatever I keep yeah keep knocking on the Chiefs um uh people see more interesting stuff like that than you know the other stuff so maybe there's a subconscious sense of like I have to overcompensate so I'm going to build up this next special that's coming up and a big reveal right and if that is what's happening my advice if I gave it would be you don't have to do that the story kind of sells itself if you do that you're actually hurting the the story you're hurting the the data that you're trying to reveal to people um because because now people are going to think it's the M Night shamal Milan effect

right if the movie is good let people you know watch it but if the movie's bad don't put out an awesome trailer because then people are going to slowly stop watching your movies you're going to become a less credible uh director yeah um the same thing with like Ross and being a journalist if you if you use up your your budget of trust and credibility and that sort of thing people like believe in you and stuff eventually uh people are just not the next time you want to reveal something or whatever people are just like a man it's that Ros guy again you know click switch channels yeah and stuff like that so there seems to definitely be a real uh push about getting these guys to discredit themselves live on television like it's working to me now I like I think it's a real thing yeah yeah let's trick right and I'm sure Ross is a smart guy and he vets as much as he can

but nobody's perfect I'm sure the net that he has is not impenetrable and and he'll get bad information that comes through on purpose from nefarious government actors that are tasked with feeding you know false info to the media which is a real thing you can look back in history not just with UFOs but with like War reporting geopolitical reporting um look at good example the war in Iraq right back where um Cheney and Bush were like H we think there's weapons to mass destruction you know yellow cake uranium whatever in um in Baghdad and it turned out there wasn't right but you feed the narrative to the media the media some of them don't do their due diligence and eat it up and then regurgitate it back to us the masses and then we do the same we don't fact check or anything we just if CNN said it it must be true um and then and then yeah

the guys that started that whole daisy chain they kind of you know in their office or whatever they kind of go yes it worked our scop worked everyone believes this everyone's going left we can go right everyone's going up we can go down no one's going to see us in the shadows doing this or that or whatever rugged are trying to pull out right from underneath you so well you you mention it and now I have to like uh talk about it right the Iraq War there's a conspiracy about why that happened right and the the one that's being thrown out is that archaeologist right before the war started in early 2003 uh like a a team of german-led archaeologists uh believe they found the tomb of gamesh right uh ancient Samaran uh King who was goesh again maybe was

gesh a person or a place I always thought I'm ignorant on the topic I I thought I've heard that you know the Epic of Gilgamesh and this and that I thought it was a place location but I I don't know anything really about it I've heard you know the Epic of Gilgamesh which is supposed to be right so the Epic of Gilgamesh is supposed to be be a legendary person uh connected to the methos in the ancient Mesopotamian culture so GES is known as a king of the Samaran city of yor oh okay all right uh in 2700 BC so he's a central figure uh and you know one of the earliest great works of literature known to humanity so they believe they found that tomb um shortly after and there was something that was happening they found a of something and then shortly after the Iraq War started and so a lot of

that was get there and straight up like German Nazi style you know go into these like ancient civilizations yeah Arc of the Covenant there there seems to be a significance in in a lot of these ancient cultures that uh that holds a still a lot of weight to to modern society right um that have always been like a fun one fun conspiracy about the I never heard about that one that one was a popular is that a fact is that a fact that like is there a timeline that can be established through facts of because the Iraq War I believe and I'm probably wrong about this I think it officially launched in 2003 if I remember right yes yep um obviously we went to Afghanistan first right after 911 that was that Priority One um and

then over the next few years um The Narrative was established that we also have to go into Iraq take down Hussein because he's trying to develop you know wmds Cheney was a huge Pusher for that which um he wasn't for obvious reasons that showed up later in the moment you can't tell later once time passes historically you can look back and see the big picture and go oh yeah that sucks um well it's trackable because there were meeting coverage about the archaeology report right there BBC News other media Outlets ABC News highlighting the potential significance of the fine and the discovery was announced around April 2003 just before the invasion of the US oh wow April 2003 invasion of Iraq of the US yep and when was the EV actual invasion of Iraq when was when were operations

actually kicked off uh of Iraq War I think let me get the exact date the next day The Invasion Iraq commonly referred to began on March 20th 2003 was led by Coalition Force spe headed by United States with the aim of removing sod oh so the war so technically the war was first then the discovery of this Gilgamesh thing the his tomb he said it's uh they found a tomb of yugesh I guess who they believe wases okay no allegedly 2000 years April it keeps going back and forth was after the start of the Iraq War on March 20 therefore the Iraq War Began before the announcement of the discovery of the tomb of but you know okay I mean it's one of those things like it's not like someone running to BBC right when they like dust off some [ __ ] right I mean

that gets through the channels to the right people uh way before April announcement uh we don't get things off the press uh or things like that usually well I mean same could be said about like the war right just because it kicked off March whatever of 2003 around that time um so I don't know about that one that one I I'm want to say debmed not debunked tomb of googes man Samaran you don't think we stopped by well what would be what's the what's the conspiracy theory I don't think it's debunk that they found the tomb right there's archaeological digs happening you know throughout our times right there's still just because they found x amount of pyramids in Giza doesn't mean they just stopped I know that there's a season I forgot when it is there's a

certain time of year we're in Egypt um I forgot what they call it they call it like uh you know archaeological season or whatever it is I guess a certain time of year it's favorable the weather or something to you know do archaeological digs but yeah every year they're digging in Egypt um yeah because there's still so much more to find they still find new stuff all the time um in Egypt so that's like a you know Global thing they're still looking for stuff so maybe it's just a coincidence that they found that when the war happened but let's just say for the sake of argument it is a conspiracy what is the conspiracy that the tomb of gigl uh that there's some ancient technology there that they found well ancient Treasures ancient valuables that uh pretty important uh that is more useful than

dirt I mean any tune uh would probably have something yeah pretty important but I mean I guess a skeptic could say well why wasn't Egypt invaded by the US when they found like you know the tomb of uh whoever right kufu or whatever right um took everything already yeah unless the tomb had something more significant I don't think well samian civilization is supposedly the oldest first written Society right well I think that's already been debunked recently okay who's before the samarians I think like officially they're still I don't I don't even think they have a name to be honest like for example uh yeah ancient Samaria goes back I'm I'm not saying it's not old or you know uh I don't to say old makes it sound

derogative like it's no good or or something like that um but previous right the the most previous civilization or or country whatever you want to call it but I mean they already discovered um uh what is it uh G Tempe or I'm butchering the name again as usual but in Turkey they found that one place um buried under a mound and they've been able to use carbon dating and stuff to find that it's um again I'm terrible at remembering names and numbers I'm a visual person um but that that changed the history books when they discovered it in yeah I think in 2012 or something like that it's pretty recent that they discovered uh this in turkey and if you look at it it's interesting because it's not just one Mound at first they thought it was like oh look there's this ancient site that predates everything um it goes Way Beyond ancient

Samaria like Way Beyond not not by a couple of hundred years but literally by like tens of thousands of years so yeah so the emergence of the Samaran civilization was 4500 BC and then they're dating back at go teepe is twice that 10,000 BC uh I've even read as much as 12,000 or more yeah it could be as much as 12,000 in some of these and the thing with that site is they found that one by accident yeah I think it was like a farmer or something that accidentally found it and um and now that they know it's there and they start digging it up they found more supposedly there's like hundreds of Acres around that area where there's more of those and they don't know if if the one that they did find the one that they found first that they already know is about 12,000 years old they don't know if that's the oldest one they're thinking that maybe there's

older ones and then you know people that came along built on top of it or like did restoration and stuff like that right I guess like how people would do now right like if you look at um I don't know let's just pick a random Place uh Mexico City modern day Mexico City is where uh Aztec Ruins are they built right there if you went back in time in the time machine you'd find an Aztec civilization right um and Aztecs are not that old um they they don't go back like 25,000 years or anything like that anything crazy um but uh if if you took an Aztec from those days and they went in a time machine went to the Future which would be now right they would find this like Metropolis this city with like lights and these cars these metal things driving around making you know funny noises and planes and all kinds of stuff

and Mexico is a big city it's one of the largest cities in the world today um it's a huge Metropolis uh so we we tend to build stuff on top of old stuff yeah so if someone found Mexico City I don't know in 5,000 years right and they started unearthing the ruins because stuff gets buried right over time they'd be like wow look there was like a metropolis here and they would also find the Aztec Pyramids it would be hard for them without any type of evidence to know hey you know what the Aztec Pyramids came a long time before this other stuff yeah right uh the the Mexican soccer stadium that you unearth they're not the same civilization yeah it's not the same city another one was built on top so it's the same thing with ancient stuff that we find how do we know that what we found that's 12,000 years old is the oldest we don't know that right so well I mean

we're hitting the hour mark this was a primary to a series of interesting talks about conspiracy and other things but I kind of want to conclude this with what is and we talked about this many times and I agree with you the Le and this leads right into it the leading theory that you're signing off to with all these UAP all these super ancient cves like what are these things that we're seeing is it from outer space is it underground uh are we version 8.0 you know Neo style you know um just to tie everything up it might lead into the next time when we talk it's it's big rabbit hole and it would take a long time but I have a a theory of lot of circumstantial evidence that long story short the uh the US

government was not the first but they found and acquired ancient Tech that allowed huge leaps in advancement in a technological um dominance and that's what we're seeing and perhaps China just like they steal a lot of trademarks a lot of Technology ology from International businesses a lot of them you know they target the US a lot there's a good chance they got their hands on some of that um and they're you know developing their own branch of this tech and and that's what we're we're seeing it's the most logical statistically mathematical answer that makes the most sense no I agree man I I do think like uh a large percentage of all the this is definitely human Tech um that

was uh re-engineered all right from from Alien Tech to kind of fit our needs [Music] and something that you mentioned the other day and I hear a lot of times the leap and Bounds that we took from the 1900 to now from just having a plane to shooting a rocket into the the space is is more than anything in the thousands of years of human technology right and and I not it's not appreciated enough and there's also a parallel theories of yes we're an advanced technology but there's several branches of advanced technology we just took this one mainly for entertainment with iPhones but other Mayan's text even Atlantis all this stuff they advance in their own way more objectively probably

uh to to to kind of achieve what they wanted you know maybe the iPhone isn't like a step for every Advanced branch of for for a civilization to take right uh space travel is probably more important and you know that's something where we're trying to catch up on finally getting back on track um but yeah I I think there's a lot of interesting things I'm super excited so many things are coming out like too much now where I I have a hard time catching up right I'm like kind of zon into this U stuff like all right it sounds like the New Jersey drones are at least going to be answered soon what they are or at least acknowledge federally that we have no idea what these are we talk to China they don't know what it is something's going on right they would tell you yeah they would tell you but now John mfei is back and throwing another curve I thought this guy's dead H how Wild would that be if the whole time

it's like no man I'm still alive um he faked it it's it's really a dead body double that they found dude it's been done before and if anyone was to do it it would be John mcae that guy's crazy dude so that guy would do something like that totally do something like that dude circuit the interview before his death is like super like wild I don't know if You' seen that one um well I I do know that he he did make he did say before he quote unquote died that if he ever did die that it wasn't a suicide or anything yeah to not believe it basically if he died this that's what he said I mean that alone is like yo so and let me find the exact quote just to

kind of fill up probably probably hanging out having having trinks with the guy that created bitcoin yeah I mean he was uh he was swinging a lot of um cryptocurrency before he died too finally okay so when one of his last recorded interviews mentioned as being with his wife uh Denise in May 2020 it's how recent been he continued to assert his innocence discussed the corruption with the government he seemed optimistic about his legal situation planning to appeal and fight the charge against him and said that uh any subject about suicide will be [Laughter] false yeah man this is a high suspect for sure uh but I think he would be like that kind of guy who would be able able to like sidestep attempted yeah

murder he probably lives like in a private yacht has the money he has the means dude and he seems decommission submarine because one of the legendary thing he was able to kind of gain access to a lot of of this secret information I mean he's maathi right I mean he's he's known as the antivirus of being in there and being able to like do whatever he wants you know in the digital world uh so I wouldn't put it past him that he kind of figured all the [ __ ] out and and not just him the other guy came back too coincidentally the the the guy who no not yet but I wouldn't be surprised to kind of start this year off the guy who's famous for hacking uh we were talking about him this eia and saying he discovered a list of like a Starfleet through he's back on social media uh the British dude yeah the British dude he's

back on social media and he's sharing information again isn't that odd how yeah uh what is his name but I saw a video of him talking about like hey guys yeah it's about time I come back come back yeah it's just everyone views just coming back all of a sudden it's it's so exciting and again I just want to reiterate like even you believe this stuff like this is the the best science fiction stories ever in my opinion uh and that keeps things interesting so it's so interesting man on top of like everything that's happening I'm very objective but I also like to keep an open mind because there's a lot of noise and um a lot of it is just noise but some of it might get past you in and its facts yeah you know best example I can think of that and I'll just leave this as a cliffhanger maybe a future topic yeah Skinwalker Ranch oh yeah we got to talk

about it at some point that's not noise Gary McKinnon that's the guy Gary yeah that's him Gary McKennon he's back all of a sudden yeah he wants to be on YouTube like like of all the time he found more NASA computers with no password set just default passwords user one two three yeah he recently came came back to social media and he talked about on X particularly um he posted on January 18 indicating that he's back in circulation uh to in relation to UFO discussions want his time to shine again but uh that that's you know that's he just to set the record Str he didn't actually hack anything yeah can you clarify on that like the common misconception of us so there's a lot of people that want to push a story take his story and kind of turn it into their

own and be like oh this guy hacked stuff and he figured out all this secret UFO stuff that NASA was hiding under computers that's not true he uh he was he was an IT guy at the time so he knew you know how to get into networks and Stu when I say get into networks I'm not talking about hacking networks are all open so you can if you know the IP of a network or you know like the Gateway how to get in you can get in now if the people running the network did their job right they secured it to block any non-whitelisted IPS they have firewalls what have you right that's how normal organizations run stuff as we know government organizations are not very normal yeah um you know Elon Musk knows what I'm talking about yeah so at the time NASA left their networks wide open like no Security even their computers had no passwords they had like default

passwords so you could just go in and be like default or admin you know you could use that as like the username yeah so when he went into the NASA Network which was wide open him being an IT guy he he just went and went oh it's wide open okay walks in all the computers are unsecure nobody there was no proper um security protocols in place to like password protect using like you know a minimum password of x amount of characters and things like that so he just basically looked around it was wide open so he just looked around and found spreadsheets and all kinds of stuff but he never actually hacked and that's why the um that's why the UK didn't allow even though the UK has extradition treaty with the US the UK determined there was no crime committed yeah the computers were wide open he didn't actually hack or or do anything nefarious yeah um just logged in it's like if you you know yeah if you went to I don't know the

NASA you know the JPL in Pasadena right it's a secure building but if for whatever reason the gates wide open or there is no gate there's no security guard front doors are wide open the key card readers are turned off there's nobody around and there's like sensitive documents just sitting on the front lobby desk and on the chairs and stuff like that that are you really committing a crime there's there's nothing there like you know so that's why uh Obama could not he tried to really hard but he couldn't get him extradited because the interesting thing just to clarify before we end it there were three main things that he's famous for during that login session the first one he saw an image of a cigar shap UFO by now I feel like everyone's seen it right but it was on the NASA computer and he said that there was an attempt to uh blur out uh the

thing right so that's the first major one the second one is the one the one that is the most famous where there was a list of non-terrestrial officers all right and so you know when you see non-terrestrial he concluded right he interpreted the evidence as if it was some kind of secret space for that is not based on right that alone is so fun to toy with uh take it as you will right and then again the third one is what we're hearing a lot now the suppressed technology uh about anti-gravity device uh that you know the government is hiding a lot of secret technology right which is probably what we're seeing right now in New Jersey um I think a large perent of that again is so I'll debunk sorry I'll debunk all three do it so he actually has interviews where he himself says people are taking stuff out of context and he

clarified the first one with um the uh finding you know an image that they attempted to blur out that didn't happen he actually explains it in an interview where he says at at that time when he was getting into their Network the network connection was super slow yeah so he found an image that he was trying to download but it was taking too long it was too big of an image and at that time you know I guess he had 56k or 28k or whatever um so all he saw was a compressed blur version of it because he couldn't get like the whole thing down um his computer was too slow so he gave up on it because it would take too long to download yeah uh and he saw like a blurred you know compressed version of it that he couldn't really make out um and he says he wish if he had more time he could have downloaded that's pretty much what he said in an interview so that's not there was nobody trying to like blur it to block him from seeing it that's just stuff people make up yeah um

he himself said this he straight up said no that didn't happen what happened was it was an image that was in some raw format I don't even think it was jpeg so it was too big for him to download um so then he went looking for other files because he realized he wouldn't be able to get the image so the second debunk is the list he explained actually again in interviews in his own words that the list was just a spreadsheet he found MH um like an Excel spreadsheet with a list of you know roster list of people into ranks and stuff um and the whole like non-terrestrial thing that that could be anything it could be hey this is somebody that's not attached to uh a base um in the US it could be somebody that's overseas or maybe somebody that's attached to you know the Navy or something like that so they're not even um they're not even based on any uh Air Force bases it might be somebody who's

with I don't know the fifth Fleet or something like that so there was no no like proof there that these guys were like space generals running you know in spaceships or anything like that it was just a spreadsheet um that really didn't mean anything beyond what was on the spreadsheet um and then uh what was what was the third one that you mentioned I think that techy oh yeah I believe he said in interviews that he never found anything like that that was just the internet changed his story around to make it seem compelling uh but he's got pretty good interviews that you can watch um if you dig into him yeah there's nothing to dig into you could watch his interviews and he straight up kind of laughs at everything he's like no I never said those things this is what I saw it sounds like they got to him all right it'll be interesting to see what this return is for I mean he doesn't seem

like he wants any fame or Fortune from any of this I mean he disappeared for a long time uh yeah went back to it I guess yeah I just like went back to fixing computers and to come back at this time it would be interesting to see what he says it's like all that stuff it was totally true man I had to say it man they were G to kill me who knows we'll see it'll be interesting I'm just glad he's back well that's that's the other thing too so I will say this though to keep the open mind part of it yeah it was very odd that the Obama Administration tried for I don't know how many years um they really went out of their way to try to get him had nothing said nothing what's the point even even the UK didn't understand they were like yo like no crime was committed why you guys have this heart on for this for this dude for this kid basically right I think he was in his 20s at the

time and they were just they acted like if this guy had I don't know committed a terrorist act or something right or if if like if the guy had in infiltrated the NSA and deleted all their favorite you know cat videos or something like they were just genuinely pissed yeah um to an insane degree uh and you know it could be something as simple as they just wanted to make a uh example out of them just in case there were other people that might you know if you're the government and you go wow this guy just walked around and there was open computers everywhere yeah we most likely have more agencies besides NASA you know Department of Labor Department of energy uh maybe even some parts of the FBI where people are just dumb and don't secure computers right so maybe they want to make an example out of them because if they were like if we let it go we're going to have a ton of people

all over the world probing for open computers and then we're going to have a huge problem in our hands that is the most logical thing um could also be ego it's like nobody hacks the us or whatever which doesn't make sense because nowadays the US recently has allowed you know China Russia and and independent criminal groups from around the world to hack the [ __ ] out of us and it's like oh they got us again dang next time so I don't I don't understand why they would go after this one guy in the UK but then they let all these other individuals and groups get away with stuff so maybe there is something there I don't know yeah well we'll find out all right uh so Leo thanks for coming on I talk to you all day but uh it's good let others uh inside your crazy brain um as well as mine like this is a part where I don't really share this to other

people usually this is when they start looking at me weird uh but it's still relevant nowadays it's hard not to talk about and hopefully the listeners out there enjoyed uh the first amend yeah a lot of rabbit holes down there just depends how many hours oh my God this is just an intro intro the UFO craziness some of them some of them are interesting we should definitely do something um about project Stargate yeah D and um was how how do you like the fact that they named the AI program recently after starg Stargate I saw that and I just get my eyebrow rais I was like going on dude huh Stargate like that movie was one of my favorite movies actually uh and what was that movie saw it again the other day yeah yeah a portal into you know an alien Universe I need to watch yeah alien Tech that they found in an

excavation which is what um uh what's his name uh John Lazar yeah Bob Lazar sorry Bob Lazar talked about that when he was uh you know Area 51 or whatever it was called S3 or whatever yeah um when he asked about where they found that you know he says that he was kind of told off the Record Arch logical sites this where we found alien Tech um Bas are he said some stuff in the 80s that got verified true now yeah so I go Based on data so I remember seeing Bob Lazar and hearing about him in the 990s and stuff just brushed it off just crazy guy whatever like most people once I saw that some of the stuff he talked about back then uh proven true now it it goes okay that's that's not a coincidence

yeah don't believe in coincidences coincidences don't really exist right so for those uh prep yeah prep from the next episode when I do this with Le watch Stargate if you haven't rewatch Stargate right awesome movie a lot of Stargate being mentioned right now I don't think it's a coincidence it's like what the [ __ ] starg people haven't talked about starg for like 40 years and the last year and a half everyone's saying Stargate this and that and then you know now I'm seeing on X like all these like psionics we're talking about psionics being able to open portals like I'm seeing like what the [ __ ] why is everyone all of a sudden talking about this so it's it's h it's good to kind of pay attention to it want to know more about psionics you gotta dig into um what my uh project Stargate from the right it just seems to Crazy freaking we'll talk about this next time

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