Panel: Location, Location, Location: Why Is “Where” You set Your Studio up, Still Important

foreign [Music] [Applause] starting right now we've got a panel called location location why is where you set up your studio still important can I please welcome to this stage Rhoda Campbell from Trading invest British Columbia Salon bookults LBC Studios Dylan getig from red Nexus games Mike wozniowski from Hollow labs and Emma Bullen from hyper hippo entertainment I really want to know about this so please

come and join us hi everyone hi my name is Rhoda Campbell and I'm here on behalf of the British Colombian government which is on the west coast of Canada famous city is Vancouver and we also have other large cities like Victoria and Kelowna uh we've got a collection of our Studios that have come over from Canada for the event and we just really want to talk through some of the considerations you have if you were growing internationally and what that you might like to consider why a location is important now I have done a few of these talks and usually they're completely stale because we talk about tax credits and talent acquisition so because BC has got a lot of unique offerings I want to go through a different angle with you all today and really allow our amazing game

developers and Studio founders to talk about their personal experience why BC's ecosystem feeds into the culture of their company and their success and how their company feeds into the success of British Columbia and why it remains to be what remains one of the top locations for game development studios in the world so I'd like to start with you perhaps Dylan um you are an indie developer and you have come through the pandemic which shape very much shaped your operations and if you could just describe to us a little bit about how how your team set up and how you have how you've drawn on your experience of being in BC and working with BC to really move your your game quite successfully into its recent shifts sounds good uh thank you Rhoda yeah

um you know you touched on some interesting things like we are in Indie Studio we were built up in BC um we were in Victoria for a while and now we're a bit more distributed since the pandemic uh but our studio really came about from a lot of the like local cities and local communities um that were around us you know we were from Victoria uh there's a great uh like game Jam scene in Victoria like you know great venue for Global game Jam every year um they used to have like Orca Jam was just a you know one that the local developed like local group had put together and the proximity from Victoria to both Vancouver and Seattle just worked so well in our favor um technically you know we could walk to either City because we were right downtown you could walk to get on a ferry to Seattle three hours later you're just at Pax like it was so well for getting things um just kind of out into the world that way and similar to

Vancouver you could walk to the bus and from the bus you're on the ferry you're in Vancouver uh that was just really excellent so that kind of like collaborative nature of the city itself and then the surrounding areas uh just worked so so well for us and then when the pandemic happened you kind of touched on that as well you know the team kind of spread out a bit further five of the six of us are still around BC but we kind of live um still in Victoria a couple of us live in the Okanagan which is a really beautiful area if you ever have the chance to visit and we weren't super impacted necessarily because our workflow was already just so online you know our project management flow was always like based on Trello all of our communication was through Discord we didn't actually have an office you know we would kind of use co-working spaces sometimes for meeting rooms and such but the when the pandemic happened it didn't really impact us that much it was kind of we were already kind of built for that style of workflow and that worked

really well for us that worked out quite nicely yeah one of the aspects that I've learned from this General trend of companies going a little bit more mobile forced on by the pandemic but also embraced since is if there's an existing infrastructure in the location where your studio is that's going to help you have the the Ebbs and flows of any company's growth if you're in a location and trying to grow your company in a location that doesn't have those natural infrastructures or those natural networks or maybe they haven't come back as a natural Network to get it from in our case from Canada to the US really simply like you said jump on a bus or a ferry then you're you're automatically coming across you know challenges that other locations do not have to consider like we don't have to consider in Canada the same way that Network distribution so then you have grown a company over the last nine years right

seven years sorry and um and you're but you're sort of you're you're you're located across the whole of Canada right um and you're sort of found you founded the company in BC could you talk us through a little bit of an understanding on how really how your company has benefited from from the unique you know culture of BC uh yeah for sure thanks Rhoda um so for those that don't know I mean British Columbia is an incredibly diverse community in terms of geographically as well so where I come from I'm not actually in Vancouver I'm about an hour out in a town called Langley and we started as an Outsource studio um and then we actually brought everything in-house in Gastown which is a very cool community in downtown Vancouver the pandemic obviously shut a lot of Studios down in terms of people coming face to face and it actually set us up for a really unique opportunity to recognize that Talent isn't concentrated in the city of Vancouver it's actually spread out BC and Beyond so as we went

back to remote and we're now a fully remote Studio it's actually allowed us to foundationally support people in terms of what their Lifestyles look like it doesn't have to be living in the city can be costly for lots of people BC offers a lot of diversity in terms of mountains getting to the Okanagan Green Space the island and through that there's a high level of connectivity as you mentioned in terms of infrastructure being able to travel around so we're fully remote we really try to entwine in our company values the ability to support personal goals so working with our team to understand what they value in life and how the business supports their their goals in life to connect people so for myself I'm not a city person I'm an hour outside I've got a farm that's part of my life and just the fact that I can run a gaming studio remotely work with our team remotely and when we do want to come together for we do monthly company events getting people together to try to find that balance between fully remote but also fully

together collaboratively we can bring people from the island quite easily and cost effectively over meet centrally in Vancouver going to be get together for the day and then go back to our to our lifestyles so I think BC offers diversity in terms of what communities look like I think it offers diversity in terms of your personal values and for us as a company it's a great place to set up and again you know overall for the game industry we are in the Pacific Standard time zones so you are easily connected with Seattle connected with California I think it's probably one of the more preferred time zones in terms of finding Outsource and timeline work I just honestly I couldn't think of a better place to set up my business well thank you I couldn't have said it better so thanks um just keeping it on you so and I'd really like to understand um also because you have a couple of people stretched across the whole of Canada and I really would love to get an um get an appreciation you touched on

diversity uh in BC itself but I wanted to talk about this sort of maturity of of really the industry and the and the ecospace in BC and how that lends to your company being able to choose to prioritize people to recognize their talent and build a company from those really from those standpoints rather than just going in and thinking right we've got to push out this game we've got to be competition we've got to you know just basically muzzle people's lives so just talking about the maturity of the ecosystem in BC and across Canada are you on the spot that's a big question uh so there's for me there's probably two parts of that I mean seven years ago when I started this company I didn't come from the gaming industry so I probably um a looked at the challenges very

differently um as a serial entrepreneur I really cared about starting businesses from my values um and going through this industry and then hearing the stories of people coming from different companies and recognizing that those values don't always transcend in every business for us you know honesty and passion and fearless communication and building trust with your team was critical because I didn't have the experience or expertise to set up in that sort of environment and I think what is really unique going outside of the business is the level of collaboration and authentic discussion that does happen in BC between Studios um you know I didn't realize that that wasn't commonplace in our industry but I can tell you firsthand you know understanding the struggles navigating you know the changing Trends in in Mobile which we're in there are several studios in Vancouver um and see one of the heads in the back of the room right now that uh you know we talk and we talk openly and we talk vulnerably about the challenges we're

facing and you know we're both competitors but we're also collaborators and for me I think that's incredible there are a couple of specifically in Vancouver uh you know kenshir at ATA and Josh sitting at the back in ESG you know we're in the same space literally competing with cannabis games and yet we can sit down we can talk about the challenges we can talk about how we can build each other at and I think culturally in Vancouver there's a desire for all of us to succeed we want to put Vancouver on the map as one of the top mobile game places to be they're doing it in the schools they're doing it with their talent and I think the only way we can do it is if we do it together good way answering whoa yeah you kind of uh you know even the competition really I would say it's much more of like a friendly competition than it is really about like one studio is going to succeed one studio is going to fail um you really see like this Rising tide that's lifting all boats right like even competing in the exact same genre of game against each other uh like we've had a lot of success like bundling games

you know finding our direct competitors putting them in a bundle together and then utilizing that to like grow both of our businesses like it's such a collaborative area and Industry there that's just awesome it works really well okay so BC has got a uh so the veteran location really with game studios starting 25 30 years ago and it sort of rose rose Against Time Hollow Labs Mike um you moved over from Quebec and you've got quite an interesting spread across entertainment and game and quite new technology I really want to hear about your personal experience in on the west coast and and how location has really enabled your company and your new technology to to Blossom really yeah so we started in Montreal and moved to Victoria right near well with Dylan and near near Vancouver so between Montreal and Vancouver I think those are probably the two sort of biggest gaming

centers in in Canada and um and I would say the difference moving to Vancouver is maybe people are more spread out or maybe this is just time that's spreading people out a little bit more um but Montreal was very very centralized um talking about sort of the competition and like the ecosystem between the companies uh I found in Vancouver and surrounding areas well let's talk about Victoria I mean Victoria so in Victoria since games are the gaming industry is inherently Project based you do end up having Ebbs and flows of of people working on one project with one company and kind of moving over to the other it's very funny how many connections I have in my company to other gaming Studios we have shifted over staff from one to the one to the next and we do help each other out too so it's really nice to be able to to you know contact your fellow

Studios and ask for help when you uh are growing and you need another artist real quick or something like that or or you might be slowing down and you might haven't have somebody to uh that you want to retain but they need a little bit of work and that both of those situations have happened with me and it's been been really nice to be able to talk to the community and and have that happen so um so what else we moved we moved and grew over the past decade or so in in Victoria and yeah I would say you know pandemic happened and we we sort of exploded out everywhere and we have people now a few staff in in Vancouver most of us are in Victoria we have some up Island so we have a little bit of a spread of of people everywhere and but gradually we've been sort of coming back in we opened up a bigger got a bigger office and we've really been returning back to the office lately

um I don't know if that's just because because everyone wants to get back together but it's a creative industry and I think that we've all realized that it's nice to be in touch with people um closer and our uh our our employees in Vancouver are up Island it's not that far to get in so they do come in and they take the ferry across and come in for a day or they'll stay the night even and so they'll get two days back to back where they come in and hang out in the office and and those are really for those creative moments where you've got to get in front of the Whiteboard and really really do things and um and also for onboarding uh because a lot of we've been trying to hire more younger younger students like students and students tend to be in Vancouver because that's the the major city where there's a lot more schools schools and programs for you know learning game development and and game design and all that so so we go over there and we recruit in Vancouver mostly and now

we're allowing our students to stay in Vancouver have the choice to come to Victoria but definitely for onboarding it's nice that we can just bring them over for a couple days and and introduce them to the studio that way thank you um really what one of the things I'm feeling across the sense of this conversation is really the ease in which people you know participate in business life and in the Studio's objectives and I'm really Keen to just hear a little bit about your personal experience and then I want to go back to talk about um really about productivity and that balance between the location and in this case British Columbia has really got a high emphasis on high quality of life that's something we're really proud about but how why do we still have Studios that are so successful over a long period of time they are so productive in what they're trying to do so I would like to go back to that but first Emma so you're originally from the

UK and you moved over to Canada and I'm really Keen to just get an understanding because of Studios or our Founders were thinking about setting up in somewhere like BC or in any other location they really go on a personal Journey it's a personal it's your life it's your family it's your lifestyle changes you're away from family and I just want to just get an understanding of that Journey you took how it looked how it feels now how it's developed to you as a person and a professionally and personally that's right great question um so I moved to uh I went straight to Kelowna which is in the Okanagan beautiful location I went straight there from Southeast London in 2010 and at the time I was working with Club Penguin so we had an office based in Brighton and I was commuting uh I think it was an hour and a half from Southeast London every day um and so as a member of the creative team in uh Kelowna flying out once or

twice a year to do training and every time I went there they seem to be having more fun than I was um so I think that was you know part of the draw for me was a hugely creative part of the world which I I didn't previously knew existed an absolutely stunning area um so there is a you know a couple of days of the year where you can both uh you know you can ski and then play golf on the same day it's um it's a really interesting climate that um you know you've got different a lot of different outdoor activities and so I think when they basically said to me you know would you rather swap your commute time from that hour and a half to say 10 minutes and I was very much like I'm in where do I sign up and so I went through that process of immigration um and at the time uh brought in on a working Visa that's sped up quite a lot these days which is lovely we can reach out to diverse talent and I think we've onboarded um people brought them in from New Zealand and Spain

um in in a matter of like 10 days getting our visas ready which is um considerably better than when I did it in 2010. um so yeah I went with the intention of staying for six months and I'm still there I think that's uh coming up for 12 yeah 12 years crazy um so I left Disney um and I'm now working at hyperhippo which is uh co-founded by the founder of Club Penguin lunchbreed and with Sam who's with us today um and really just staying for the lifestyle and the opportunities and I think um it was uh I was really Blown Away by how creative it was um and also how beautiful it was and I think um with I'd like to say to my friends when I was in England you know the idea of going to North London at the weekend would just fill me with Dread it's that kind of like oh that's going to take me it's going to take me ages to get across London um but for some reason in Canada if somebody says to you we're going to go to Vancouver this weekend it's about

four hour drive it's so much easier it's really strange and it's really beautiful um so should I move uh thinking towards you were talking about productivity um so we are um you know we're headquartered in British Columbia and have had offices in Kelowna which uh you know during the pandemic we used less and less and um and started hiring team members in different places in Canada and we're now fully remote so we have different hubs in different areas and have that challenge of really keeping in touch with everybody and keeping productive which we you know similarly you're talking about tools so trying to do that through tools and and trying to avoid endless meetings and getting together as a group as you were talking about too um Mike I'm going to go back to you just because I'm going to start and work towards I'm going to start and work towards me um I really want to get a sense of you guys are running businesses these have

to work you're paying wages and um and you're based in BC so it would be really great for you for me to understand like how is it that you guys have all just expressed the collaborative nature of BC which I believe is completely unique and I'm an International location specialist so for me promoting BC is always amazing because it just is genuinely collaborative and yet still be competitive with the world so I would like to understand you running a studio how do you keep things moving forward on a business sense while still respecting that you know it's people that make this happen interesting question um well I don't know so BC is also on the west coast I think the West Coast has a little bit of a you know fast business focused

um uh personality I guess right so we have you know the Silicon Valley right below us we have you know Hollywood and everything a little further south so Vancouver is a big destination for film um and television and creative entertainment industry in general um and so there's a lot of there's a lot of transfer from that industry to gaming and a lot of collaboration as well especially as you know all those Industries are becoming more real-time now you know we have like live production facilities where they're using game engines to make cinema right now we work in the theme park industry now which is using live game engines to do theme park rides now so it's all kind of coming together and so I guess we're we're just you know sharing with that technology in that technology and and sharing towards that common goal of entertainment and um sort of lost the track of the answer to this question but um I guess in general

um you know you have a lot of you have a lot of people that come to Vancouver to do these kind of production oriented things whatever the entertainment industry is and then they sort of Branch out and sort of some several people retire there because it's beautiful and you know you have the access to skiing and golf during the same day like it was mentioned or or surfing or mountain biking or whatever right so it's a it's a destination where people want to be and so you end up having a lot of skill and a lot of experience in this area that you can you can count on and people are forming businesses in their later years and and then transferring you know transferring their skill set to other Industries so we have uh quite quite an opportunity for that collaboration where you know these these people are around and and you can talk to them and and you can start up new things uh together and and you know uh back to the the employees there and and and and giving them something to look

forward to uh you know they come there or they're there probably for the environment and the natural beauty but um we are all trying to make that productive business come out of that as well and and try to balance that so I don't know if that was a good answer but and yeah do you have any comments I mean you're a much smaller team really on the Press because of a lot of change as you move from platform to mobile how are you finding that that that collaborative but you know the lifestyle but also really that Competitive Edge and drive of the West Coast is fueling your team and growing mm-hmm there is some interesting points with our proximity to you know uh being in the same time zone as like Silicon Valley and Apple and Google like that is really hard to like overstate you know like if you need help if something's going on during your work day having those be their support hours just works

really well you know Microsoft and Amazon right just across the border from us like that is super super helpful valve like just you're in the proximity of all these big companies without all of the additional expenses of you know living in these major cities major American cities because you know that dollar value that dollar change still goes a very long way um for us when it comes to you know keeping that team moving as an indie developer it's quite excellent because you have all of these big companies you know in all of the cities that I mentioned and also Vancouver all of those companies that are coming you know into the VR space the XR space all of the movie production that is happening there you have these big companies kind of get bigger and bigger and bigger and then you know you see these big rounds of layoffs there's a couple happening now um and you know it's always it's never good to see at first but what tends to happen I've found is this kind of effect where the people

that leave end up starting their own things and you just see these waves of innovation that come from it and you know Mike kind of touched on it earlier as well where when you have these really like tight-knit game development communities you know the founders can all just go sit in a room and have a couple of beers and chat and talk about what might be happening between projects and you know make it as easy as possible for people to land on their feet and that just goes a long way you know as Indie devs like you know I was working at a bigger company and just kind of splintered off of that they had done a couple of rounds of layoffs you know I was lucky enough to avoid and then some of the people on our team you know were impacted by those layoffs and that's just kind of a thing where you kind of get some organic growth just outside of that right when you bring enough like talented driven people together you're going to see some really excellent growth and Innovation come out of that Sullen you are a Serial entrepreneur

that I understand putting you like building this up um I'd really like to and you work in the create very creative industry I'd really like to get your just your experience and get a sense of your experience sort of moving in and out of different businesses while staying in one location I want to just get a sense of the versatility in your life and how that's being fueled by being in you know in one place I mean a lot of people here have you know maybe moved cities maybe moved countries in order to have that versatility in order to have that inspiration in order to kind of you know really push Drive their life and you're you know founder of a company seven years old bringing you know with your team and I just want to get a sense of your experience in feeling that that growth really and that

riding those waves I think how to best answer that question um yeah I am a Serial entrepreneur for sure and you know I've been in a couple different Industries I think why I'm passionate about the industry I'm in in games right now and and with LBC specifically you know turning ideas into reality takes a lot of hard work um success is not always guaranteed so you really have to to find passion in the ride in the journey I think a big part of you know what I've Loved about being able to do that in British Columbia fundamentally is the people um again you know seven years ago I didn't come from a gaming industry and yet in seven years I was able to surround myself with incredibly talented leadership

being able to trust that they're giving you good advice and that comes through a learning curve for sure but there's enough ways to validate and there's enough ways to get in a room with people from from every level in British Columbia there's enough support outside of the pure talent and I know we don't want to you know talk too much on the dry topics but the reality is they are an important part if you have p l responsibility um if you're looking to get good advice anything from you know I think you mentioned being able to just spin up your own first company if you're looking for you know grants support government understanding Talent get in a room with someone in the space that you you want to be in and just ask questions on how they started and experience share and the level of vulnerability it comes with it I think that that deep level of connection is what everybody seeks in any business and it exists in gaming in British Columbia

for sure and I think that's probably why I feel so connected to it is again it comes down to the people um the last couple years you know I think anyone in this industry is is aware that we've we've gone on a bit of ride up and we're we're facing some turbulent times for sure but I just had my my annual planning session just before I came here in my quarterly planning session with my leadership team and I've never walked out of that room uninspired and I think that has a lot to do with the people in the place we work and I hope that answers the question that was so beautiful well done and I put you on the spot I actually have been putting them all on the spot the whole way through this um Emma we've talked a little bit about solon's Journey over the last seven years and and really coming into the game industry that way um I'd like to now just ask you a little bit because you're in a strategic position in a well-established uh you know Studio I just want to understand like how are you looking forward now and

how are you pulling in the resources that are available to you in Canada and also your connections internationally to really move the company forward uh and and you know what are you what are you excited about it's a great question where do I start um I think like everyone we are following the industry globally we're seeing what's happening we're keeping our eye on our data sources we're watching not just our North American English-speaking audiences we're also looking at new regions globally so starting to see uh you know how to develop in those different regions and has been you know previously alluded to we're collaborating with each other so we're you know reaching out to different Studios that have implemented tools that are working and saying you know what did you do what issues did you come up with that sort of thing that's that's been hugely helpful um what else are we doing uh I think we

have a number of our team working on research projects we've actually just kicked off a project this last week with um University of British Columbia um and a great group of students that are dedicated to helping us do research in different regions which is fantastic and so they're doing that as part of their schooling and we're reaping the benefits which is a wonderful wonderful thing so yeah I'm excited about everything to be honest it's really great to just seeing the mobile games Community grow and I think um yeah we are coming up for a rough patch and we know that but um as you know previously said it's like great things come out of rough patches um so I think we're going to see a lot of innovation coming out in the next couple of years thank you well we're coming to the end towards the end of our talk and one thing I'd really like you each to do if possible is to um I think is to summarize to any of the people here that are considering a location either for stimulating their

career stimulating their Studio uh just and again keep it more to the points of just real life you know because you can talk to me afterwards about tax credits and costs and I can help you and I can help you with your business costs whatever you like that's what I'm here forever really but I really want to draw on these personal amazing people's experience which you will not get access to otherwise hearing so again just to literate like what what advice one single piece of advice would you give to somebody if they're really looking at driving themselves personally forward their goals forward and why location feeds into that genuinely Mike you said not to talk about tax credits but I I don't know if it was mentioned I came in like a little late I'm sorry for that but there are government programs that are quite amazing in in British

Columbia and Canada as a whole so um you know if you're coming in to a new location or considering a new location I mean I think this is hugely important and and we haven't talked about it yet but I could rattle off you know creative BC digibc innovate BC um I don't know the science the tax credits shreds scientific research tax credits uh idmpc inter interactive digital media tax credits there's like a whole list of things that that is offered and and uh and support organizations uh we have games funded by the Canada media funds so there's Federal Federal things so tapping into those can help a studio kick off or sustain it through rough patches as well and and a lot of these are Innovation funds um so so it helps bring in talented industry and and helps grow talent and Innovation as a whole so

not to be understated and has you know it's the reason that we're here right now and the reason that we came over and uh and continue to thrive so uh if there's anything that would be my one my one recommendation don't don't gloss over those and don't skip those and research the heck out of them because it can can get you going yeah if you're looking at it from the studio side those can't be overstated either like those are really really important um you know in addition to all the ones you rattled off like we're looking at hiring some co-op students for the first time this year and the process is just made so easy in the funding process like it's just it's phenomenal it really is like just very very exciting um so if you're looking for a place to you know start up a studio or start up a branch of a studio that's a good thing to look at if you're looking for like a personal relocation I would definitely you know go visit go check things out um the global game Jam does actually

have like some organizational presence in the UK but currently most of the board members are based you know between Vancouver and Seattle just because it's such a hotbed the igda the previous executive director just went from Seattle to Vancouver so these big you know not even not-for-profit organizations are also based there and can make a personal like uh you know making those jobs springboards between organizations really really easy you know you have a lot of different events thrown there because of that because it's so easy to look in their backyard and host them locally as well as all of the different International ones um yeah you know Vancouver is kind of a in between not having any any big International gaming events right now you know we've had a Pocket Gamer in the past we've had a GDC in the past so it can often fly by some people's radar they don't think to go there for a convention to go check things out but there's a lot of you know just uh we have like full Indie Vancouver there's a

lot of more local organizations so if you ever go over for something like Seattle making sure that you pop up on the train and go visit Vancouver for a few days um you know I highly recommend it just just check things out if you're looking on a personal level um and you know my as Mike was saying again with the you know they call it Hollywood North because it's so much cheaper to go up and film stuff there so if you're looking at maybe making a lateral movement as well like if you're looking you've been in gaming for a couple of years you're interested maybe going into you know CGI working for like uh things on movies and digital effects there is so much of that there it is just unbelievable so there's a lot of things kind of adjacent to games as well which provides you know again a lot more of that um reliability like if you if you lose a job there there are literally hundreds of companies that are hiring all or all year round uh and it's usually very very easy to land on your feet there as well which you know it's you you don't like

planning for the worst but if you're in the right spot it almost takes care of it for you which goes a really long way yeah I think there's there's lots that's been shared on the business side there I mean obviously the audience here is probably pretty diverse and if you're you're running the studio talk to Rhoda I'm sure she can help you on the the setting up the business but if you're in a specific discipline you know whatever that might be a creative discipline an engineer an artist a designer um I think one of the great things about life is growth and taking risks is a big part of growth if you're going to take a risk and jump over the pond and land in BC I think the reality is you'll grow and I think you'll probably find a place to grow you know the last year again has you know been challenging and it's probably exists on this side as well but I think going back to that collaboration and that sort of discussion that happens between the studios um as businesses we talk but even at a level of taking care of our talent and

taking care of a team we also talk so a very clear example of this is you know we've had quite a few inbound candidates come in across disciplines and even if we can't place them we make it a priority of our HR team to actually go talk to the other Studios and see if we can play some elsewhere so if you're going to take a jump I think it's a safe place to land am I just one last minute Kitty um yeah I think we're seeing uh come for the lifestyle and stay for the tax credits and that's the uh to summarize yeah a beautiful part of the world and I really I don't know if we've emphasized that enough you know cloners wine district is it's a lovely lovely place to land and yes I think and your point you know uh it's great gross opportunity um so yeah definitely definitely worthwhile so thank you everyone thank you so much for your expertise for giving us a real genuine and authentic insight into your lives it was really important for me to show you guys that um because that is what is unique about BT

um and and really if any of you want to talk to us we are in a lounge downstairs on the ground floor you can see the BC British Columbia Banner plus the studios logos but come and have a chat and uh yeah thank you so much [Applause] [Music] thank you [Applause]